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Old 07-10-2010, 09:37 PM
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my idea..

a friend of mine who is really interested in cars and has a mechanics degree thought of putting H23 headers on my H22A1 block

is this a good idea and would it do much?

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a friend of mine who is really interested in cars and has a mechanics degree thought of putting H23 headers on my H22A1 block

is this a good idea and would it do much?

just a question

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well .. the header bolts onto the cylinder head, not the block.
And what makes you think that an h23 header will be better than an h22 ?
Also, the bolt patterns are different so they would not be interchangable.
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Re: my idea..

besides being a total pain in the ass, it would do nothing, probably even hurt your performance
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aight..was just checkin cause i plan on putting in headers next..whenever that may be
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did you mean putting h23 head on a h22 block?
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1. The h23 header is garbage.
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1. The h23 header is garbage.
2. It won't fit.
3. It's a header not headers.


IDK where some people come up with these ideas.
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1. The h23 header is garbage.
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3. It's a header not headers.


IDK where some people come up with these ideas.
Twas a bit harsh. This is where people come to learn. I think it would be better for us to guide people who dont know as much rather than some dumb Civic owner who thinks they know everything. BUt trust me it is hard not to go off on people lol
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Twas a bit harsh. This is where people come to learn. I think it would be better for us to guide people who dont know as much rather than some dumb Civic owner who thinks they know everything. BUt trust me it is hard not to go off on people lol
haha yeah thanks, i dont know to much =/
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1. The h23 header is garbage.
2. It won't fit.
3. It's a header not headers.


IDK where some people come up with these ideas.
Please explain how an h23 header is garbage. It may be garbage on an h22, but puts out pretty good gains on an h23!
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You can't just say "a header" you really need to specify. A DC header is trash compared to a Bisimoto header. But then again pretty much everything is trash compared to a bisimoto
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Well I have a Dc header on my h23, and it really made an improvement in power on my lude. It looks good, sounds better, and it was pretty inexpensive. So I wouldn't call it garbage. Now a Dc header would be garbage on an h22 motor. That's because the h22 doesn't respond well with bolt-on's. But the h23 really does! But then again I always have thought that the h22 motor is overated. But that's a whole new debate of its own!
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Well I have a Dc header on my h23, and it really made an improvement in power on my lude. It looks good, sounds better, and it was pretty inexpensive. So I wouldn't call it garbage. Now a Dc header would be garbage on an h22 motor. That's because the h22 doesn't respond well with bolt-on's. But the h23 really does! But then again I always have thought that the h22 motor is overated. But that's a whole new debate of its own!
Well I'm talking about a stock one. So chill out Mr. Jdm.
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Putting a header from a non performance oriented engine, the h23, onto the performance oriented engine, the h22, would be a bad idea. Im sure that Honda made sure that the h22's stock header would be better flowing than the h23's.

Also, @ JDM, how do you figure that h23's respond better to bolt ons. If it were that easy, people would take the h23 and put some boltons, and be able to walk h22s. Maybe it responds well for your butt dyno, idk.
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Putting a header from a non performance oriented engine, the h23, onto the performance oriented engine, the h22, would be a bad idea. Im sure that Honda made sure that the h22's stock header would be better flowing than the h23's.

Also, @ JDM, how do you figure that h23's respond better to bolt ons. If it were that easy, people would take the h23 and put some boltons, and be able to walk h22s. Maybe it responds well for your butt dyno, idk.
x2, a butt dyno is no good. You are automatically programming your brain to think that the car is going to be faster anyway. But I do agree that the h23 does respond better to bolt ons in a way. A cheap dc header on an h23 does help when buying a dc for an h22 is a waste, but do you really think that means cause you put a few bolt ons to the h23 that it is going to be better, no it's not. H22 > H23 all day long. Do we need statistics here?
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First of all I've had both an h22 and h23. My car had a h22 when I got it, but it blew. I was going to put in a h22a, but I thought about it, and it didn't seem worth it! It was going to cost me 1400 bucks for the motor. I got a jdm h23 with 30k miles for 600 dollars. I put a cai, header with collector mod, exhaust with 2.5 inch piping. stage 1 crower cams, and had it tuned. It came out to 1600 dollars. And yes it does walk h22's! And how would you know what kind of dyno I had my car on? And as far as quoting engine specs, that means nothing when it comes to racing! Your just spitting out numbers as far as I'm concerned. Go to any prelude forum, and see quarter mile times posted, and you will see all h23's in the 15's. You see so many 5th gen ludes running 16's.
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First of all I've had both an h22 and h23. My car had a h22 when I got it, but it blew. I was going to put in a h22a, but I thought about it, and it didn't seem worth it! It was going to cost me 1400 bucks for the motor. I got a jdm h23 with 30k miles for 600 dollars. I put a cai, header with collector mod, exhaust with 2.5 inch piping. stage 1 crower cams, and had it tuned. It came out to 1600 dollars. And yes it does walk h22's! And how would you know what kind of dyno I had my car on? And as far as quoting engine specs, that means nothing when it comes to racing! Your just spitting out numbers as far as I'm concerned. Go to any prelude forum, and see quarter mile times posted, and you will see all h23's in the 15's. You see so many 5th gen ludes running 16's.
A 5th gen with an h22 is different from a 4th gen with an h22. There is a considerable weight difference.

I also have had both engines. I can tell you I would take a stock h22 over a modded h23 any day. I even went from an h22 4th gen to an s2000 then back to an h23 4th gen just to buy another h22. By far the best engine honda made with an acception to the k engine. I don't need stats to prove a point. I have had my car up against another 4th gen with an h23 and basically all the mods you just named and left it sitting like it was nothing with my basically stock h22. I'm not going to argue about i though. Just stating what I know.

Would love to know what you are pushing out of your engine though. Considering yes you did mod it quite a bit I still do not see it being much more that 160-170 whp.
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A 5th gen with an h22 is different from a 4th gen with an h22. There is a considerable weight difference.

I also have had both engines. I can tell you I would take a stock h22 over a modded h23 any day. I even went from an h22 4th gen to an s2000 then back to an h23 4th gen just to buy another h22. By far the best engine honda made with an acception to the k engine. I don't need stats to prove a point. I have had my car up against another 4th gen with an h23 and basically all the mods you just named and left it sitting like it was nothing with my basically stock h22. I'm not going to argue about i though. Just stating what I know.

Would love to know what you are pushing out of your engine though. Considering yes you did mod it quite a bit I still do not see it being much more that 160-170 whp.
You hit my whp on the nose. But I never go by what numbers say. Because I've been in the car scene for such a long time. And I've had so many cars with different specs. I had a b5 vw passat boosting 15psi, flashed by giac,forged 007 diverter valve, intake, exhaust, and it was putting down 180whp. But it only ran a 15.4 in the quarter mile. My lude runs a 15.0 flat, and puts down way less whp. But I consider, weight, driver, condition of motor, humidity, elevation, tires and so many other factors that are involved. And yes I have ran a 4th gen h22, and it was no match! But like mentioned above, you don't know what kind of h22a it was.
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You know why there are more 5th gens running 16s? Because theres more of them out there, therefore, you hear about the ones running low 15s stock, but YOU seem to remember the ones running 16s just to make yourself feel better for going with the inferior N/A engine. Theres also ALOT of h22s running low 15s stock. I/H/E isnt going to net you much, and bigger cams generally HURT you unless you are running higher compression pistons, I don't have first hand experience, so I am just going by what i've seen builds of on other peoples experiences. My h23 had I/H/E, my h22 runs a cold air, header, and that same exhaust, and I can tell you right now, my h22 would rape my h23, even still using the longer h23 tranny, falling out of vtec from 1st to second. I just see no way that you would be able to take h22's with what mods you have done. Nor do I see how .1 liter of displacement, with a longer stroke, could make bolt ons respond so much better than the h22. Especially when you factor in the higher end we get, and the vtec. Please don't take this as flaming, as I'm trying not to be hostile with you, I'm simply stating an opinion. If you would like to keep this goin, let's do this in PM, or in a new thread ( in the OT section ) as not to jack this guys thread.
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You know why there are more 5th gens running 16s? Because theres more of them out there, therefore, you hear about the ones running low 15s stock, but YOU seem to remember the ones running 16s just to make yourself feel better for going with the inferior N/A engine. Theres also ALOT of h22s running low 15s stock. I/H/E isnt going to net you much, and bigger cams generally HURT you unless you are running higher compression pistons, I don't have first hand experience, so I am just going by what i've seen builds of on other peoples experiences. My h23 had I/H/E, my h22 runs a cold air, header, and that same exhaust, and I can tell you right now, my h22 would rape my h23, even still using the longer h23 tranny, falling out of vtec from 1st to second. I just see no way that you would be able to take h22's with what mods you have done. Nor do I see how .1 liter of displacement, with a longer stroke, could make bolt ons respond so much better than the h22. Especially when you factor in the higher end we get, and the vtec. Please don't take this as flaming, as I'm trying not to be hostile with you, I'm simply stating an opinion. If you would like to keep this goin, let's do this in PM, or in a new thread ( in the OT section ) as not to jack this guys thread.
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f22a ftw though... it's my secret love.
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fight fight! lolz
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I'm glad we can all get along...



f22a ftw though... it's my secret love.
But its so ugly! The h22 just looks so sexy. H23... not as much but eludeauthority's is nice :p

we've all seen nicks engine bay :P
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lol I cant get enough of pz :)
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