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Hey guys, so the motor is finally in. It doesn't feel much stronger or anything but then again I'm using my stock h22a4 ecu. I'm sure its gotta be gimping me somehow and my gas mileage is horrible. I've already ordered a p28 with a basemap from phearable.net, should be here by next week...

First issue is that I'm getting a misfire cel from all 4 cylinders and a random misfire code too. It's not really misfiring really, car runs smooth.. I've been told this is normal if you use an obd2 ecu with a obd1 crank sensor setup in the dizzy?

2nd problem is my rpm hangs! and slowly comes down when im coming to a stop in neutral. Ill be cruising at 3k rpms, redlight so i shift into neutral. the rpm will SLOWLY go down to 1600 rpms ( instead of the my usual lightweight flywheel dropping the rpms down to idle fast).

Itll hit 1.6krpms and sit there, until i come to a COMPLETE stop, then the rpm will suddenly drop back to idle.. I can even shift it into 2nd and it'll accelerate by itself at 1.6krpms..until i fullly stop my car.. WTF what gives?

my EGR was blocked during the motor swap with a plate under it, and my IAC valve was looped/bypassed. I already popped off my throttlebody to clean it, but it wasnt dirty and works the it should...

ive been searching.. and ppl said there is a screw inside the IAC that can cause this if becomes unscrewed? or do you guys think the short hose that is used to loop the iac is kinked and the coolant cant flow thru it freely cause this? It really sucks being next to cars and ur car is constantly revving high =(
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that using the wrong computer for the car, prolly not the best idea.
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

check for vacuum leak. also if I read the thread Bustr posted ur egr was block off right? if thats the case then that could be the cause of the missfire with the obdII ecu.
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

yea the EGR is blocked off with a plate, but its still plugged in, so no CEL from that. Didnt know that would cause misfire codes.. that sucks lol.

my car, its as if im giving it throttle .. even if im off the gas pedal ( only once i start driving. i can keep on cruising once i start movin with my foot off the pedal. When i throw it into neutral, the rpms hang up and go down very slowly, then finally drop to idle when my tires stop spinning. gdfnasgsgWTF

i took off the throttle body to clean it, but it wasnt even dirty. I took off the iacv and the screen was sorta dirty, i cleaned that out. didn't work either! Don't even know where to start with the vac leak, im hoping its not the intake manifold gasket, since finding the proper one for that manifold was a bitch, bustr just siliconed it up.

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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

get some break cleaner and lightly spray around cracks by the intake mani and tb while the car is idle and if the car skips a beat at any point you've found it.




edit: still check anywhere that sucks air...
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

Yea I am getting the misfiring cylinder(All 4 that is) cel as well. I have the same setup as you(H23vtec with dizzy wired up to sensor) except for the egr blockoff and the IAC loop. Car runs fine. Only thing is I Don't have your rpm problem. Does your oil light flash weirdly?
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Yea I am getting the misfiring cylinder(All 4 that is) cel as well. I have the same setup as you(H23vtec with dizzy wired up to sensor) except for the egr blockoff and the IAC loop. Car runs fine. Only thing is I Don't have your rpm problem. Does your oil light flash weirdly?
hey, nah no other lights going off, ur using ur h22a4 ecu also? this throttle issue has gotta be a vac leak somewhere.. its taking in extra air somewhere passed the throttlebody or something, its like automatic cruise control, regardless of where i am.. i really HOPE its ecu related..
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Yea I am using the stock h22a4 ecu. I really hope my oil pressure light is ecu related too...
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

Viper, check your oil pressure sending unit.

Could be something else, but my one friend has a mitsu galant, and his oil light was flashing wierdly. Then after he fixed his, my brothers dodge stratus had his oil light flash very wierdly. Both times, oil pressure sending unit on the block.
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sound like a good plan!?!?!?
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Re: h23a vtec bluetop is in!! ..2 issues misfire code/hanging rpm

the main reason the car is running bad is because the ECU is wrong for the car. No matter what ECU you use you're going to have problems. The reason why is that the ECU for the h23a vtec uses something called an immobilizer which is only found in Euro. No car in the other markets have an immobilizer in them even the JDM market. That's the first problem. The other problem is that the engine only came from a auto tranny so getting passed that is a pain and also even if you do you'll still going to have to mess with the immobilizer.
I was planning on doing the swap myself but after much research it wasn't going to be worth it even though it would have been a really cool swap.
Here's a link for anyone who wants to read up on the swap it's the best link about it i've found so far.
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I don't have time to read that link he posted about, but I'm going to take a shot and say that I don't believe it's because of the immobilizer, from what I understand my Prelude has the immobilizer system, in fact I believe almost all 5th generations had the immobilizer system? But I could be wrong..

The problem with the different ECUs should be because some of the sensors are in different spots and the dizzy lined up differently, the engines are similar but they are still different and there will be SMALL changes that need to be adjusted/corrected if you intend to stick with the H22A4 ECU.... and it will still not be the optimal setup.

The other ECU has something called PROM (programmable read-only memory) that has settings for your engine and a bunch of data charts that allow it to make adjustments based on inputs from the sensors when it's in closed loop...that is why it would be better to get the ECU that is associated with the engine you are running in the car... it's more complicated than that, but basically you're not going to have your engine being managed 100% properly unless you have the correct ECU which is programmed for it.

So if you get all the sensors set up correctly and all that stuff, and you have no lights on because you figure everything out... still the basic data in the ECU is going to be judging the performance of your new engine based on its data charts from the H22A4.
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So what you're saying is...new computah?


lol, and I don't think it's a PROM. Nowadays it prolly has an EEPPRROMM. I forget the actual acronym dammit lol, but PROM is for really early model cars, and the acronym gets longer every time they come out with a different one. I think late model OBD2's are the fifth or six generation of ECU ROM.
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Yeah it's prolly EEPROM (eraseable) but it's still PROMMMMMM... and Prom is for high school seniors too... ok I know lame... that's it I'm goin to bed haha =)
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hey guys, so i spent my morning calibrating my TPS. When i measured the voltage it was 4.78v@WOT and .68v@Idle. Which from what I read is too high. After a few tries, and yes its tedious as hell, everytime you tightly screw the tps back on the reading is off again and gotta take off the throttlebody and do it all over lol (was too hard to get to the screws without removing that TB)

I managed to get it to read 4.60v@WOT and .49v@idle in the end. which is pretty damn close to 4.5 and .50. Good news is that the car doesn't stall and die anymore. It refuses to drop below 700rpm and the RPMS do drop faster now, not as fast as it should with my lightweight flywheel though, with my h22a4.

Bad news is that it still hangs at 2krpms, but when i blip the gas it comes down to a high idle at 1200rpms, until i come to a complete stop, then it sometimes drops to 1000 or 900. but it doesn't hang at 2k rpms 100% time now, it does it like 85% lol.

i read somewhere that the iacv can let too much air in? How would you adjust that? that alan key hole on the side of it?

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Update~~

I got my p28 from phearable, car runs stronger and misfire CEL is gone, but my tach is all still crazy..worse than before, it shoots up to 10k rpms when i accelerate. But up until recently for the past few days, the car started to jerk back and forth, everytime the tach jumps. After doing some research, it could either be the ground wires (checked the one for the alternator and thermostat, they weren't loose), ignition coil, or the ignition control module (ICM) in the distributor.

I decided to take off the dizzy, went back to pepboys exchanged it for another one ( lifetime gaurantee) and bam problem fixed, they gave me a ****ty "remanfactured" one with a bad ICM. Well except for my exhaust smashing around under the car like balls between your thighs while jogging, the Car runs like a champ now! I beat my friends 5 spd 93 taurus SHO lol, 220hp/200tq. which is good for high 14's and low 15's! ( my first victim woot lol)

p.s. recent mods i had done: stacked an OEM IAB spacer ( under the IAB plate) for longer runners, using bolts from blacktraxx. Also the 2.5in header collector mod with no cat. definitely felt a difference.

oh and i did some more research and saw motoxxxman's post on running the IAB's through vacuum, since the p28's can't control them, unless you modify some hardware. They now open when I WOT, and stay closed when im just cruising around =) Which beats having them open all the time!!!

http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s....php?p=2254303

Another thing is with the p28, Sometimes, when i let off the throttle, but still in gear, the car makes cute bubbly backfire sounds lol, i think the basemap is running extra rich, a tune is def my next mod. Also The vtec crossover isnt as pronounced as it used to be. People say that is the difference between a tuned car and stock, but i miss that kick. **** the smooth crossover!
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