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It's not messed with, its old

Well as most of you know I've been having problems with my car. However I've been operating under the assumption that the engine/trans were replaced and the car had other work on it. However, while trying to put on my test pipe today (which didn't work) I came to a realization.

The exhaust from the headers back is stock.
The cat bolts were so rusted there was almost nothing left of them.
The cat is broken.
The ECU is stock.
The clutch and flywheel are stock. (prolly)

And the car....i stock. It doesn't have a 2.5 inch exhaust, or built engine, or new trans, or chipped ecu....the seller just lied his butt off. It's just a stock car with intake and headers and a lot of miles. How many miles? Wouldn't know, the odometer is showing less miles than the oil change sticker on the windsheild. Which prolly means they rolled back the odometer.


Now this means some things, both good and bad. It means that instead of screwing around trying to fix the problems the second to last owner created, all I have to do is do high milage fixes (timing belt/fuel filter, etc.).

It also means the engine and trans are original, annnd I have no idea how old or know how long they will last.


So for the most part, I'm going to take the car to my mechanic, see if he will warranty his work and fix the oil leak, then have him replace the fuel filter, clutch, flywheel, timing belt/water pump, strut rod, etc..

I'm going tomorrow to my dad's shop to burn off the cat and get the test pipe on, then later I'll prolly go to the local exhaust shop and have them make me a custom exhaust



My question is, what are some typical high mileage fixes I haven't thought of?
And if I go to an exhaust shop for my custom catback, how much would that cost me vs getting an Apexi? And can an exhaust shop provide me with a muffler? As in a nice looking performance one?




Oh, and if I ever see this guy in real life, the guy who straight up told me he did so much work on this car and it meant alot to him and such...

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And if I go to an exhaust shop for my custom catback, how much would that cost me vs getting an Apexi? And can an exhaust shop provide me with a muffler? As in a nice looking performance one?
I'll give you a ballpark sometime this week, as I'm going to be calling around to find out pricing on my custom 3" setup. You given any consideration to going with 3" exhaust piping?
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Not really, I think my collector is like 2 inches, my test pipe is prolly 2.5.... So I dunno. Will it even fit?
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I have the 2.5" collector mod done, but I'm still going to get the 3" piping done, mainly since I will need it down the road. You should be able just to get a 3>2.5" reducer somewhere (or fab one up) and go from there. Guess I'll find out this week.
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I might just go with 2.5. The collector on my header is small and I dunno how this is going to work lol. May end up having to buy new headers, although that would just be a bitch
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

well at least things are falling into place, figuring our more and more every time. at least you didn't buy a stock ECU for it yet.
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

the apexi is hella expensive.. the custom here was about less than 200 dollars.
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the apexi is hella expensive.. the custom here was about less than 200 dollars.
What a custom muffler? I'd be down with that. Can they even do custom mufflers? I know they can do piping but I don't think they can just fab up a muffler. Of course if they're a muffler shop they prolly have a bunch in stock. I don't really care what it is as long as it looks badass and its loud as hell.

I'm looking for something with a really deep tone at idle, with alot of base, enough to hurt your ears, that screams when I hit the high rpms.
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that screams when I hit the high rpms.
While your engine slowly dies of extreme heat due to it's extremely lean A/F ratio?
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the odometer is showing less miles than the oil change sticker on the windsheild. Which prolly means they rolled back the odometer.
that sticker tells u when you're 'supposed' to get another oil change, not when it was done. it was prob done 3k miles before what's written on the sticker.
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

I'm gonna be replacing the fuel pressure regulator and fuel filter, so that should help if its running lean. Plus doing the cat o2 spacer thing makes it run rich. People have said it makes it run lean, but my buddy did it and now his runs richer than before. Which makes sense because if the o2 sensor is pulled away from the exhaust flow, then it would detect too little exhaust and up the fuel trim to a richer degree. At least thats my hypothesis.

And maybe he didn't roll back the odometer, but that still means everything has 170,000 miles on it.
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you're only supposed to do the non fouler trick with the 2nd O2 sensor, which has nothing to do with your a/f ratio. it's just there to monitor how effectively your cat is working. so if u space out the 2nd sensor, it will give a different reading to the ecu (when compared to the first O2), which tricks it into thinking all is well.
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At 70k I noticed my car felt old. I started planning, and around 80k I replaced the factory struts (they were toast). I also replaced the strut bushings with Energy Suspension, put on an aftermarket set of sway bars,and did the timing and balancer belt with a water pump and belt tensioner.

This is when I realized I should plan on replacing the other stock rubber components with the ES stuff too. I did all the other bushings (ball joints too), clutch, and a complete brake job (new rotors and everything) ~140k. Factory brakes and clutch made it that far.

The car now has 245k on it and still has the factory exhaust but needs a front a rear main seal and another timing belt. Uses a bit of oil but always has and still gets ~27/mpg.

To be honest, I still like driving the car better than the '06 RSX TypeS that I just recently picked up. Stocker with 50k.

So, how far can they go? I'll tell you when I find out.

Oh yeah, if you have one with 170k on it completely stock. Congratulations! But, it probably needs some work.
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you're only supposed to do the non fouler trick with the 2nd O2 sensor, which has nothing to do with your a/f ratio. it's just there to monitor how effectively your cat is working. so if u space out the 2nd sensor, it will give a different reading to the ecu (when compared to the first O2), which tricks it into thinking all is well.
Oh, so what would doing it to the first one do?
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the first O2 (pre-cat) tests the exhaust gases and sends a signal to the ecu to adjust your a/f ratio accordingly, so it would mess up your a/f ratio
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I have 249k miles on my lude, completley stock. But who ever owned it before me did NOT take care of it =(
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

The amount of things u want to replace is gonna cost you a nice chunk of change, clutch, oil leak depending on where it is. If you wanna blow your load all right away on everything thats up to u but i would fix what is primarily the problem, whatever that may be. I think i reminded you before but with the test pipe get the spark plug defouler dont forget and instead of torching the bolts turbosockets might work if you have them, they did on mine wen the bolts wouldnt come off..good luck.
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I'm gonna have to go all in on this, got slightly less than two weeks for school, and most of the cost is covered since I already had him fix the rear main and it came out of the shop still leaking. Although my PCV wasshot the whole time, I overfilled the oil blah blah blah. Plus I think its the oil-cooler o-ring or whatever you call the o-ring behind the oil filter, cuz it seems to be coming from there.

Oh and my P/S pump is leaking...


And yes I'm using anti foulers, already got two drilled out to 1/2 inch. 2 out of four, cuz I thought I needed it on both o2 sensors. Although if I only need it on one then I'll just do that, no biggie. And I can't get these things off with any kind of wrench or socket lol, mechanical force ain't gonna hack it lol. These bolts are balls of rust, there's nothing left to em ha.

Edit for clarification: I think the oil cooler o-ring is causing leak. And the rusted bolts are the cat bolts. o2 sensors are kinda rusted on too, but not too bad. Dunno if I should replace em or not.

Oh and does anyone know how to get the o2 sensor connectors apart? There's a tab on em but it doesn't seem to be hacking it. I feel stupid...I think there's a trick to it but they got some oil on em so I really couldnt get much of a grip, maybe thats why. Oh and the oil is motor, since it leaks a bit it gets sprayed and thrown everywhere, which is why finding the leak is kinda a bitch. I really should try to clean it and use flour, but my mechanic is gonna be looking at it anyway so I'll let him handle it.
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Yea the oil filter is completely covered in oil, and everything below it from the trans to the exhaust is pretty much got oil on it lol. I think my mechanic replaced the main seal and he didn't need to...Oh well I'll have him replace it again just in case, and do the o-ring, that way I get free seals and fix the leak. Then when he's got it apart...New clutch, fidanza flywheel, timing belt, water pump, manual tensioner, FPR, fuel filter, radius rods, etc.. lol this is gonna cost me a boatload but atleast he'll already have the engine and trans apart before he starts charging me labor ha, and I'm picking up the parts myself so no markup and if I pay cash its usually a bit cheaper. Cash is king baby.

Anything else I should replace while I'm at it? I'll do my CAI later on, not gonna bother ordering the filter now, I can do it myself easily enough.
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lol damnn your car.. my exhaust is loud, and u know when i hit vtec. lol, its just a 3 inch pipe welded tightly together with 2 testpipes lol.. its a piece of sh*t but hella original lol
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Your oil pan is probably loose
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

idk where i live there really strict about aftermarket exhausts my prelude has custom piping with no cat and the muffler looks completly stock so i havent been stopped but my last car had a magnaflow exhaust system and i got tons of exhaust tickets
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Re: It's not messed with, its old

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I'm gonna have to go all in on this, got slightly less than two weeks for school, and most of the cost is covered since I already had him fix the rear main and it came out of the shop still leaking. Although my PCV wasshot the whole time, I overfilled the oil blah blah blah. Plus I think its the oil-cooler o-ring or whatever you call the o-ring behind the oil filter, cuz it seems to be coming from there.

Oh and my P/S pump is leaking...


And yes I'm using anti foulers, already got two drilled out to 1/2 inch. 2 out of four, cuz I thought I needed it on both o2 sensors. Although if I only need it on one then I'll just do that, no biggie. And I can't get these things off with any kind of wrench or socket lol, mechanical force ain't gonna hack it lol. These bolts are balls of rust, there's nothing left to em ha.

Edit for clarification: I think the oil cooler o-ring is causing leak. And the rusted bolts are the cat bolts. o2 sensors are kinda rusted on too, but not too bad. Dunno if I should replace em or not.

Oh and does anyone know how to get the o2 sensor connectors apart? There's a tab on em but it doesn't seem to be hacking it. I feel stupid...I think there's a trick to it but they got some oil on em so I really couldnt get much of a grip, maybe thats why. Oh and the oil is motor, since it leaks a bit it gets sprayed and thrown everywhere, which is why finding the leak is kinda a bitch. I really should try to clean it and use flour, but my mechanic is gonna be looking at it anyway so I'll let him handle it.
alright u only needed to drill out one of the defoulers and screw it into the other but im sure itll work
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