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Old 06-09-2010, 03:48 PM
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F.O.R.D.

The acronym says it all... (enter your own)

I know it isn't a Honda question, BUT, I've read a LOT of posts here that just blow me away with the mechanical knowledge some of you posess... so.. why not give this a shot?

I may be good with wires, when I know where and what to look for, but I have an issue with an OLD vehicle that I have NO clue where to start at.

It is a 1976 Ford Courier Mini.




It was given to me in trade for some work I did. It ran, roughly, when I got it, but the point is it started and ran.
I've left it sitting under the carport for the duration of the winter but now I need to move it so I can sell it.

ISSUE:
When I try and turn the key to start I get dash lights/buzzer but as soon as I push it into start I hear a loud click and the power completely vanishes, system wide.. the ONLY place I find power, when this happens, is at the battery. After 15-20 minutes whatever has tripped allows the power to pass once again.

TROUBLESHOOTING:
*I check the voltage, while starting as well, and it does not drop below 11 volts. Its a Big ol battery for this tiny little 2.3L engine. (Mazda Built I believe)
*I slow charged the new battery over a 24 hour period. It holds 12.5 volts perfectly.
*Since I thought it may be a current issue I used my handy-dandy Jump Starter/Battery road side emergency thingy. LOL. I know it works due to a Voltage test and the fact that once hooked up it started a V8 in a Cadillac without a second thought.
*I've also checked all [apparant] fuses and relays that I am [not certainly] aware of.

All I know is something is tripping and killing the B+ voltage to the vehicle. Because of the way it is acting, surely it is some weird solenoid that I do not know where to look for.
I have been searching off and on today for an answer but none of the forums I've visited have any decent information on this ancient little vehicle.

Thanks for ANY and ALL input!
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:35 PM
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Re: F.O.R.D.

sounds like starter is hung up. when that happens all battery current is pulled cause everything to string out and lose voltage ...... do a current draw test...while some else tries to start it.... if you starter is wiped it will cause you battery to go from 12v to as low a 2volts lol.
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Re: F.O.R.D.

The only thing I can think of in theory that trips and resets is a circuit breaker, which do exist on cars. But usually they reset faster than 15 minutes.

I would definitly test the starter, that seems to be when the problem occurs, is during starting.

I'm sure you know how to test one, but if for whatever reason you don't, I happen to have written a detailed guide on the subject.
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Re: F.O.R.D.

the clickin noise made me think of when my starter passed out on me.
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Re: F.O.R.D.

no clicking... just a click.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I am going to take my KNOWN good battery out of my lude and give it a shot.

And isn't it just a BIG hammer to fix a stuck starter?

LOL!
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Re: F.O.R.D.

lol yeah a hammer works some times. Give 'er a good tapping she may come loose, but eventually you'll have to rebuild or replace. It'd be pretty annoying having to tap the starter each time you wanna go somewhere.
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Re: F.O.R.D.

same thing happened when my porsche starter was bad. the power completely cut out. so i would say its your starter.
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Re: F.O.R.D.

Hey I am with you guys on the starter ,also i think there is a starter relay don't remember exactly if it's on the side of the inner fender .
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Re: F.O.R.D.

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For that truck, hitting the starter with a hammer will get the internals to line up and thus be able to start (maybe) and its a temporary fix. However, do NOT do this on newer cars. Newer cars have lighter starters that use permanent magnets (PM starter) and if you hit them with a hammer you'll crack the magnets inside, which will make it weaker, possibly to the point where it cant start.
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lol yeah a hammer works some times. Give 'er a good tapping she may come loose, but eventually you'll have to rebuild or replace. It'd be pretty annoying having to tap the starter each time you wanna go somewhere.
LOL! That was a reference/Jab at people that bang on their dash to get their HVAC controls to work.

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Tapping on the starter with a hammer was one of the old skool methods of diagnosing a starter. If you whacked it with a hammer and it worked, it meant the solonoid linkage or something in there was not properly lined up, and tapping it with a hammer helped to reset it into position.

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i say it is the starter relay, it should be close to the battery, the hot wire should go stright to it
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i'd check the starter solenoid before replacing the whole starter, that's what usually goes out on those older fords. should only be around 20-30 bucks at ur local parts store.
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It is a FIX OR REPAIR DAILY(like you said the acronym says it all :P But it could make a could part haulin truck :)
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