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Old 05-29-2010, 10:39 PM
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96 SI won't start or get power..

I'm really needing everyones help right now.
I got the H23A1 with 5-speed.

PROBLEM: last week I turned car off and went back to start it. Turn key to Ign. and makes a bunch of clicks then all power will cut off and dash goes dark. I have to take the key out and wait a couple minutes before lights will come back on in the dash with key to acc. Then again when turned to ign. it'll click and power loss again.

I put jumper cables from my other car to the lude with other car running for 45 minutes and even while being jumped has exact same problem.

I bought a brand new starter today from o'reiley thinking my starter went out. New started is installed and still has exact same problem. I hooked it back up with jumper cables and new starter, get same thing.

I can push start the lude and will pop the Clutch fine and run like a champ until I turn it off again. I need some ideas. Also, I'm buying a new battery in the next couple days.

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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

Did you try a voltage reading on your battery before anything? Might have enough voltage still in ya battery and it could be something else.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

I'm saying battery or alternator.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

I had a battery check from oreiley a few weeks ago cause I got a good friend up there and it read saying that my cranking Amps were very very low.. I think he said it was reading half of what it needs... Could that be it?

If it is the battery then why wouldn't it start off jumper cables?
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

I agree with havik battery or alternator. What is the battery's CA say is its spec and what did ya friend get as a reading?
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

Okay bro ,the first you have to do is make sure batt,terminals are clean and tight ,and batt is fully charged ,alternator should be putting 14 +volt engine runnig and,second look for all grounds that connect to the frame from the engine ,there is a ground under the transmission ,and a ground behind the thermostat housing ,and front left motor mount ,left and right front inner radiator support ,there are some inside the car check them to, also to check if you have an after market alarm it would also kill your ignition, some times the connections were the alarm module goes between the ignition switch harness gets loose giving the conditions you mention ,this happens when the harness get very hot ,this will cause problems with starting at the switch ,This is it for know ,hope this give you a wider picture Let me if you need more info ,okay.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

When I had the battery check. He told me my battery was producing half the cranking amps that the car needed. I understand that which is why I'm getting a new battery, I just was thinking jumper cables would pretty much by-pass and work..

As far as all my grounds, thanks for mentioning that and I checked them all. I relocated my battery to the trunk about 2 months ago and not once had a problem! They're brand new terminals which I got during the relocation. My power wire goes directly from battery to the engine bay where it has a 2-way split, 1 wire goes directly to starter, 1 directly to fuse box. My battery ground is in the trunk, and all grounds from engine bay have been checked and re-grounded all during that process. It's ran fine and showed no symptoms since I did the relocation 3 months ago.

I agree with aftermarket alarms, how they can go screwy as that's what happend to my friends 95 SI. However, i still don't have an aftermarket alarm so I should be clear in that area.

It's a Super Start battery that with 710 CCA... And 895 CA and the machiene printed that I was gettin only half that.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

if you change the battery and alternator and it doesnt work i would check your ignition because i remember when mine was bad and sometimes it wouldnt start with a full batt and then i found out it was the ignition
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

I'm going to go get a battery in a few hours and will let you guys know if that has any changes.

I'm really trying to get this fixed without dumping money I don't really have right now into batteries, starters, alternators, ignitions and everything else if it's only one of them.. But I guess it's better in the long run to have all new electrical systems..

xshooterx: how did you find out it was the ignition? And you said, "sometimes wouldn't start with a full batt." were you meaning it just clicked and all power would be lost like mine is? Just wanted to have that clarafied for future refrence.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

the way i found it was the ignition was because when i would start the car it would click unless i held the key certain way. but i was just reading above and i saw that u said your batt had a low crank. so i would get the alternator checked and just check your wires from your fuse box alternator and batt and your grounds. and last resort i would check the ignition

and if your new battery doesnt hold its charge its probably your alternator
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

If the cold cranking amps are not sufficient, the battery will not be able to provide the starter with enough amps to turn the flywheel. The starter draws a ****load of amps in order to get the car started, the batteries main function is to provide the starter with power at startup. After startup, the alternator keeps the battery full so it can provide power to your other systems.

For a comparison, the headlights draw about 20 amps. A typical starter can draw anywhere from 90 to 150 or more amps.

REPLACE THE BATTERY

after that if it starts then the lights start to flicker and the car dies, then look into the alternator. But I'm going to bet dollars to donauts that its your battery.


By the way, just because a battery says it has full charge (state of charge test) does not mean the battery is not sulfated which you would find out by doing a load test.


If replacing the battery doesn't fix it, I would check your grounds (like an above post suggested) then test your alternator.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

Update::::

I just put in a brand new battery. 700 CCA and 875 CA.

Put in key and turned to acc. All lights came on, turned key to start. Car made a bunch of clicks and again, lost power to the dash.

So, I have a new starter, a new battery, and same exact problem. I guess next is alternator.. FML right now cause I backed into my neighbors silverado last night going to get the battery in my other car.
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Re: 96 SI won't start or get power..

ouch, you mean you backed your lude into it? that would suck ass man...

As far as the electrical problem, I would check all your grounds then test the alternator. You can't really do a max output test or a load test cuz you don't have a carbon load tester like a VAT machine (I'm assuming you don't anyway) but you can test alternator output. Just use a voltmeter (not a testlight) and place one lead on the alternator output wire. Put the other lead on battery positive.
((ALT OUTPUT WIRE: Its pretty easy to identify, it's a fat wie going from the alternator to the battery positive terminal. You can test it where it bolts onto the alternator or closer to the battery. ))
It should read about 14.5 volts, somewhere in that general vicinity. If not then it probably is not putting out enough juice to recharge your battery.

As far as grounds go, you can apply this saying "I like my fittings like I like my pussy, clean and tight." All your grounds should be free of rust and dirt, tightly secured to wherever they're bolted to, and not be all frayed and mangled.
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