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Old 05-17-2010, 11:21 PM
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I was letting my best friend drive my 5th gen, I was riding shotgun in another prelude. We were sorta racing, then in the rear view mirror a big cloud of black smoke came from the back of my car.. We both pulled over and my car is making a horrible clunking sound. I ended up findin that the waterpump gear is hanging sideways and the timing belt was flopping around, but the motor was still running.. went to shut it down asap.

My friend swears up and down that while we were "driving fast" what happened was..he was in 3rd gear and when he stepped on the clutch to go to 4th, the clutch just started vibrating and the car started making a weird sound and he couldnt get into 4th, so he pulled over.

First thing came to my mind was a mis-shift, from 3rd to 2nd. my other friend that i was with told me that it HAD to have been a mis-shift.. based on what happened.

Anyhow, I ended up bringing the car to Bustr, a mechanic that's part of NYPOC, he works on most of our preludes. He popped the valve cover off and rotated the cams and the valves SEEMED to be okay. took the broken water pump off ( the gear was popped off of the shaft, it still spun fine nothing was really broken on the pump when it was off, cept for the fact that the gear spun off the shaft.. ( waterpump is only 1.5 months old, had a timing belt/waterpump changed when i did my auto-5spd swap)

he put a new pump in... other stuff were broken also, the key thing that lines up the balancer shaft gear, crank shaft gear and crankshaft pulley all of that was broken and made it VERY hard to take off the gears. The crankshaft gear was actually stuck, because of that broken key that was stuck in it.


when everything was back together, the car started up, there was a ticking.. found out the valves were bent. Then for the test drive, he drove like 30 feet and the oil light came on, so the car was shut down asap.. found out theres no oil pressure.. so the Oil pump is shot too. He thinks this HAS to be due to an over rev.. to cause this much damage.

Anyhow, im sorry for such a lengthy post, what do you guys think? I confronted my friend, he doesn't have much money, but I just told him.. i dont want to blame you or accuse you, but I'm asking a few experienced people for their opinion, and they said that a mis-shift+overrev would be the cause of this catastrophic damage, not just because a faulty water pump... anyway I asked for him to pay at least half for a new motor, he said fine, but he doesnt want anything to do with the car anymore and "if i come to his house, to park that **** down the street not in his driveway. cause i know how to drive and if i did misshift, i would tell you, i understand where you are coming from, because I would probably question you the same thing"

a lesson i learned is, dont let other people race with your car..just to avoid situations like this...

this car is cursed, 3 automatic tranny failures, got rear ended, flat tires, just a lot of problems... now i need a new motor... can anyone help me find one? maybe a JDM h22a for a decent price? Thanks everyone for reading this post...

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Old 05-17-2010, 11:51 PM
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Re: Motor is blown, friend was driving, need opinion =/

Well my advice would be to kick your friend in the junk.

Yes it does sound like an overrev, likely caused by a mis-shift. The old "i know how to drive and if i did misshift, i would tell you" is irrelivant. I also know how to drive, but I'm the first to admit that in a pressure situation (such as, I dunno, maybe racing) I make mistakes. While I haven't mis-shifted, I've def botched shifts, and I've popped the clutch with the loud pedal mashed into the carpet and the shifter in Neutral more than once. What we know is that the engine is heavily damaged, most likely from an overrev which appears to have occoured while your friend was driving. You offering to go halvsies with him is the best he could hope for. I'd be demanding the whole engine.
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Well my advice would be to kick your friend in the junk.

Yes it does sound like an overrev, likely caused by a mis-shift. The old "i know how to drive and if i did misshift, i would tell you" is irrelivant. I also know how to drive, but I'm the first to admit that in a pressure situation (such as, I dunno, maybe racing) I make mistakes. While I haven't mis-shifted, I've def botched shifts, and I've popped the clutch with the loud pedal mashed into the carpet and the shifter in Neutral more than once. What we know is that the engine is heavily damaged, most likely from an overrev which appears to have occoured while your friend was driving. You offering to go halvsies with him is the best he could hope for. I'd be demanding the whole engine.
^^^what he said. All the way.

Yeah he F'd up major. but its seems like your best bet is to get another lude. u have a demon car my friend. flat tires breakdowns. trannys and all that. yeah i think it will keep goin down hill. my civic was the same way. i only had it for 1 year. 6 accidents (none my fault) faulty caliper (my driver side pads would wear twice as fast as the other 3), caught fire (tech left a towel on my catalic converter) and loads more. just restart. u wont be sorry.
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i live in Toronto and Tiger Japanese Auto Parts LTD - Home treated me well with my swap and their prices are good just look um up
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Re: Motor is blown, friend was driving, need opinion =/

That's some tough luck bro. You'll get it sorted out though, especially with the almighty Bustr at your side.

And don't give up on your Prelude. Everyone goes through ****ty times at one point or another in their life. You can take that to the bank.

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Re: Motor is blown, friend was driving, need opinion =/

Im sorry, but you let your friend race in your car?

You should really not hold him responsible for your actions.
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Re: Motor is blown, friend was driving, need opinion =/

Damn, well I hope you learned not to let other people drive your car...Def sounds like he shifted from 3rd-2nd. But like dbd said, it's great to have bustr at your side!!
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You should have friends who support you and have at least a drop of integrity.
That's why I only be friend with people I REALLY trust...
I let my 2006 Nissan Tiida treated like $**T because of a friend...
Let it be a lesson and best luck finding a good engine :)
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I'd say you go 1/4 of the new motor payment only bc you decided to allow him. He should pay the other 3/4 for fukkin up the motor completely!!! That's jus my 2 cents!!!
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well they got two things goin on and i will play both sides of the fence. one sorry to hear bout the motor. two and his is my outlook on the situation. i am not a materialistic person by any means whatsoever. but because of my passsion for cars i am very very very over protective of mine.. that doesnt mean i baby it or anythng i aklways have fun in it thats my bitch. and i love to get up in her and make her do things. but at the same time it is mine, knowing this i dnt even let my mother drive my car well i do but only to the supermarket down the block. only because if something happens to the car i cant say its her fault i let her hold the car. but on the other hand he was the captain and the captain has to be responsible for the ship he is sailing..that being said.... seeing that your car was a demon car whose fault is it .. yours .. would the mishift have happened if you were driving probably not but the fact is u should have been driving... not him if he wants to drive a prelude let him go buy one..

now when i did my auto jdm swap i was hunting for prices all the time for motors and trannys if ur near bustr then ur near me.. there is a place in jersey i belive they are called jersey jdm ill pm u the number later they have very strng motors 6 month warranty 650 last time i checked so your friend needs to give u about two hundred dollars.......orrrrrrrrr u can give the lude to me
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Im gonna have to disagree with just about everybody here. Not trying 2 be an ass but ur the one who let him drive. I dont think he should have to pay anything. It was an accident. They happen all the time. Now i can see if somebody else was in your car at the time and the guy driving told them he was gonna go from 3rd to 2nd on purpose. But its an accident man. I dont think he should have to pay anything. Now if he offers, thats great. Thats helping YOU out. But I think its wrong of you to ask him to pay for any part of a motor because YOU let him drive YOUR car. Just my .02. But good luck with whatever happens man
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I dont know if this'll help Davis but here n take a look...

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im not a mechanic so dont take my word for sure, but is it the same mechanic than the one who replaced the water pump??....if he is, could it be a faulty install?? i dont know i just find it too hard to go from 3rd to 2nd at high rpm's.
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I'd go half and half cause it was his fault but u let him drive it. If I was him I would help u no matter what that's just what good freinds do. Me and a buddy of mine built his civic into a 400 horsepower champ and I drive it on the track with him and whole I was driving the secluded belt and blow of valve got ****ed up and I helped him out no doupt and I know he would do the same for me
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Check out jdmenginedepot.com they are in Kearny, NJ right by Newark. I have a deposit on my entire swap perhaps you can get a deal since I'm purchasing mine from there. I think engine alone runs for about $750 and you can try and grab an auto engine perhaps it will be fresher.

Edit - I plan on going this thursday around noon.
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Like I said on the phone Davis. Lesson learned. Everyone makes a good opinion. Never let anyone drive your car. Even when I saw him driving home from the ECAP meet he was running it hard. Don't say it's a curse this time because you let him drive the car "fast" so sh*t happens and it happen to you. As for if he should pay for it, that my friend is entirely up to you. Everyone is saying different things so you will decide for yourself. Good thing is you got this site and a sh*t load of luders in your area that is willing to help you out. What done is done so keep it moving and let get this lude back on the road. Good luck buddy.

And I recommend you at least take the trip with Manny and see what that place is about and get prices.
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Yes sir just let me know if you can make it if not I'm more than willing to show up if & when you go so they see a familiar face if it helps you out on price.
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im not a mechanic so dont take my word for sure, but is it the same mechanic than the one who replaced the water pump??....if he is, could it be a faulty install?? i dont know i just find it too hard to go from 3rd to 2nd at high rpm's.

Are you serious? You honestly bolt a waterpump on.... you don't assemble it in anyway. You are obviously not a mechanic and definitely putting blame on someone who has nothing to do with what happened. Bad installation wouldn't have fail within a shorter period of time. ... shorter then 2 months.


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eh, Just be cool with it, It is just a car, in time you can buy a new prelude, or fix it up.
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Look man im not looking to fight whit anyone just wanted to express my opinion and my point is still valid maybe the mechanic didn't torque down the water pump or something else either way that's just my opinion, one way or the other one the outcome is the same he has to get another engine... Hope u get a good deal
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Look man im not looking to fight whit anyone just wanted to express my opinion and my point is still valid maybe the mechanic didn't torque down the water pump or something else either way that's just my opinion, one way or the other one the outcome is the same he has to get another engine... Hope u get a good deal
He is acting like that because he did the work on his car. I take it that you didn't read the entire first post.
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im not a mechanic so dont take my word for sure, but is it the same mechanic than the one who replaced the water pump??....if he is, could it be a faulty install?? i dont know i just find it too hard to go from 3rd to 2nd at high rpm's.
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Are you serious? You honestly bolt a waterpump on.... you don't assemble it in anyway. You are obviously not a mechanic and definitely putting blame on someone who has nothing to do with what happened. Bad installation wouldn't have fail within a shorter period of time. ... shorter then 2 months.


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He is acting like that because he did the work on his car. I take it that you didn't read the entire first post.

Dont get too offended by Bustr dude. You jus have to understand hie POV!!! He's our mech for the whole entire NYPOC!!! And he wouldnt have gotten that title if he didnt work on ALLLLLL our Ludes!!!

He got his rep by workin on our Ludes and he jus feels offended when people doubt his work.

You would understand him if you worked mad hard on something and you know it's guaranteed good and then you have people doubting your hard work. Dont take it to the heart...you jus have to understand where he's coming from that's all.
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Re: Motor is blown, friend was driving, need opinion =/

hey guys, thanks.. got a lot of responses with alot of help

brandon, i think imma try to upgrade to a stronger motor so eff the stock h22a4! thanks for looking out tho azn2azn .. damn them koreans.. LOL

ancarde, the way the waterpump broke, didnt have anythin to do the way it was installed, it was still intact in the engine, but the gear that runs it, is supposed to be a unremovable part of the pump, it spun off the shaft. if ANYTHING, it was faulty defect. But the way the motor was damaged in general, it looked like it was overrev'd so fast it flew off in a freakish hellish way..something like that.

and qnzlude im guessing you are Thee Manny rus told me about ^^. I can't make it because of work, but when you said they can probably give me a better price, that really opened my asian eyes lol. I just dropped like 2,100 into my swap in total =( but missing a day of work and + gas money+ tolls will probably come out the same way... I really appreciate it though..

I was actually looking at 2 places in NJ, jdmenginedepot and jdmenginezone. Did some research and they both have mixed reviews, but good positives too. zone quoted me 120 shipping Depot quoted 140, so idk..

has anyone had a bad experience with jdmenginezone? they got slightly better prices and shipping =P



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Im gonna have to disagree with just about everybody here. Not trying 2 be an ass but ur the one who let him drive. I dont think he should have to pay anything. It was an accident. They happen all the time. Now i can see if somebody else was in your car at the time and the guy driving told them he was gonna go from 3rd to 2nd on purpose. But its an accident man. I dont think he should have to pay anything. Now if he offers, thats great. Thats helping YOU out. But I think its wrong of you to ask him to pay for any part of a motor because YOU let him drive YOUR car. Just my .02. But good luck with whatever happens man
I don't think its that bad that I'm asking for like half from my friend(not sure if im even gonna get it), it just sucks that he didn't offer =/. Blackbb6, if your friend crashes your car while driving it, and you're not in it + you got one way insurance coverage, meaning the money is straight out of pocket. Lets say he "accidentally" did it and it was an accident. from my understanding you wouldn't ask him to pay for it, but you wouldn't even ask him to help "chip in"? or would you blame yourself, cause you let him drive it when he asked and take the entire loss?

blah anyway right now my car is useless, im sharing my dads car and its very complicated..with us going to work and i got finals etc, gotta get this show on the road soon somehow

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Thank you guys for explaining. To help you ancarde understand and others understand too..... the actual gear of the waterpump had come off. That gear is an actual pressed on piece. All one does when installing it is bolt the housing of the waterpump to the side o the block. With 5 10mm bolts. As far as installation brig wrong it would have leaked.


There is moreto it then just the waterpump. It has a loud rumble..... rod knock.
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Look man anyone anyone here who says that your friend shouldnt pay for at least some of the damage is an L7 weenie. When i saw ur car at the meet it was lookin good im sorry to hear this happened. You learned a lesson by letting your friend not only drive your car but beat on it as well. I let very few people drive my car and i know they know how to drive well. If he is not taking responsibility for any of it then i wouldnt be friends with a douche bag like that. This is just putting another hole in your wallet whether insurance would cover it or not and hes not offering to pay for it then hes not a real friend. Hope everything works out and i have faith in bustr hes the right guy to help you.
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Im gonna have to disagree with just about everybody here. Not trying 2 be an ass but ur the one who let him drive. I dont think he should have to pay anything. It was an accident. They happen all the time. Now i can see if somebody else was in your car at the time and the guy driving told them he was gonna go from 3rd to 2nd on purpose. But its an accident man. I dont think he should have to pay anything. Now if he offers, thats great. Thats helping YOU out. But I think its wrong of you to ask him to pay for any part of a motor because YOU let him drive YOUR car. Just my .02. But good luck with whatever happens man
yea you wouldnt be saying he shouldnt pay if it was your car and you didnt have a lot of money.
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Sigh, we're on two sides of the fence here with the who should pay for what BS. How about this, we help him as much as possible to get a new motor, and stop giving a shit about who should pay for it.

If the valves are bent, it might be easier to just rebuild depending on what your future plans were for it... If you just want to get another stock h22a4, or even go the jdm h22a and switch to OBD I, that is feasible. Either way, bustr knows his ludes, and he would definitely be the best person to do the work for you.
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yea you wouldnt be saying he shouldnt pay if it was your car and you didnt have a lot of money.
Kid Im not rich. I work for EVERYTHING I get. I have since I was 16. Dont u have some $750 hid kits to go sale? So please get off my back and go try 2 rip off some of your friends.

Anyways. Op. Yes, im saying I wouldnt MAKE him pay for anything. Would I expect him to offer to pay for at least something? Yes I would expect him to outta being a good friend. If he doesnt offer to help at all, I agree, thats messed up. Thats just my .02 alright? Now hopefully nobody else tries to be a smart ass and quote my post again.


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Please just SHUT THE **** UP if you have nothing to say to help the OP. He's asking for help/opinions, the last thing he needs is for this thread to get closed because some jackasses won't quit talking **** to each other.

OP: Have you considered HMotorsOnline? I know they aren't local like the others, but I've heard nothing but good things about their motors and their customer service. I'm sure Bustr has already told you, but just wanted to make sure.
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