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Old 04-07-2010, 04:05 PM
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Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

Well just brought it in to the mechanic recently to give it a good once over, check for a leak I might have and give it a good general tune up for spring. Well apparently the thing has recently started to burn oil like a mother****er, he showed me the plugs and they were a mess... I don't know how they were even working... and he says the valves are pretty messy too... I had topped the thing up to full oil only a week or two earlier and it was already at the low mark (btw I rarely ever hit VTAK!!!!!!!)

So right now I've narrowed my choices down to 3 options that I'm debating, I'm leaning more heavily to two but I won't say which cause I'm looking for opinions...

I'm thinking I can either (note I'm in canada so all prices are canadian)

A) Put up with it, keep an eye on the oil and check the plugs regularly

B) get the engine rebuilt (the mechanic I know and actually trust can't do it there but he says he knows of a decent place... actually not the place they use officialy but what he used for building his civic... that his son rolled) but he estimated it'd be around $3000 for a rebuild... I figure if I do this while it's apart I may as well get some things done to it to make it stronger.

C) do a jdm(yo) type s engine swap... but of course I worry about the condition of the engine (who knows how the previous owner treated it) and that it could end up burning or breaking etc too

preferably I don't want to spend more then $2500... max I think I'd be willing to go is $4000 as I want lots of money left over for school, insurance, fun, maintenance, etc. No matter what I do, the vehicle I end up with in the end will be my daily driver... including in the snow (I get it oil sprayed)

I've been debating this for the past few days and still haven't reached a decision... input is welcome

also note I'm not terribly mechanically inclined so I can't really strip or rebuild an engine myself or I would (Might be able to get help but I can't guarantee that unfortunately) most I've done is replace a spoiler, fix a light and winterize a motorcycle

so ya...

Thanks for any input you guys offer.
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

I would say go for the swap - jdm or just a regular h22 with lower miles, $3500 for an (I assuming stock rebuild) seems a little on the expensive side when you can get a decent h22 swap for like $1500
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

I agree with jcluder, i worked at a dealership for 2 year and no way in hell does it or should it cost 3000 for a stock rebuild. considering that those symptons sound to me like you need ring's, idk what this guy is smoking or what kind of shop he works in that can't get that done. you don't even need to remove an engine to do rings in most cases and our cars you def don't have to. my advice is get a leak down test done on the car asap, that will let you know what the real problem is and how much you really need to spend. i would also advise you to find a better mechanic/technician. for 3000 you can build a sleeved block with internals in it.
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I agree with jcluder, i worked at a dealership for 2 year and no way in hell does it or should it cost 3000 for a stock rebuild. considering that those symptons sound to me like you need ring's, idk what this guy is smoking or what kind of shop he works in that can't get that done. you don't even need to remove an engine to do rings in most cases and our cars you def don't have to. my advice is get a leak down test done on the car asap, that will let you know what the real problem is and how much you really need to spend. i would also advise you to find a better mechanic/technician. for 3000 you can build a sleeved block with internals in it.
well when I was discussing the rebuild... sleeving the cylinders and beefing up the internals was part of the plan :P (I forgot to mention that... sorry) I figured if the engine needed to be rebuilt anyways may as well make it stronger to prevent it from happening again while were in there
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

cool then, i thought this guy was trying to screw you over or something. canada huh not too far from rochester. i go to the falls a couple times a year to hit up the casino.
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cool then, i thought this guy was trying to screw you over or something. canada huh not too far from rochester. i go to the falls a couple times a year to hit up the casino.
ya he wasn't the one that was going to do the work anyways, I just know him cause he works at the shop my family goes to for normal stuff (and he's the one that's into tuning up hondas a bit)


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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

First, I'd get a compression test done. That'll tell you the extent of the wear, then base my decision from that.

If you plan on keeping the car for a while then the rebuild would def be worth it. However if you only plan on keeping it for another year or so, then I'd drop in a lower milage H22 (of course get that comp tested and maintained before dropping it in!) then sell the car when the time comes.
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

swap in a h22a or another a4. and if you wanted, you could keep your old motor and build it up slowly.
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

rebuild the motor. why get a motor thats almost identical to the power output as your current motor, when you can use the money to rebuild your current one to make it better.
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Swap it out!
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

It's all up to you... do as Brash said and then decide...

If you are going to eventually take advantage of those stronger internals by boosting or something I'd say go for the rebuild... if you are happy with the power of the h22, just get a low mileage JDM motor... If you go with a reputable dealer I think horror stories of bad engines are few and far between. Mine runs great; it does use a touch of oil, but even at 5,000 mile OCI I don't have to add any... I like VTEK as well, so it gets a lil' extra thirsty for some royal purple........
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I'd prob rebuild the motor with better internals.
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

same thing happened to me. 2 weeks after i topped it up with oil it would run dry. I just kept driving it until one day it wouldn't start. My mechanics in the process of looking into it but I'm pretty sure my engines toast. I JUST bought this car a month ago too. I would def just do a swap. I'm looking on ebay and kijiji for some h22s, for decent ones there approx. 1000-1500. Does anyone know the labor cost to swap an engine?
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Re: Hmm what to do... rebuild or swap or

so ya... had the new plugs in for a bit and they are fine...

I'm running a little rich...

oil is fine... just did a compression test and it's good (195,195,200,200)

so... maybe I just need to drive the car more and harder... I normally only drive it to and from work (5 km one way) and I drive like a little old lady

guess I don't need to do anything
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