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Old 01-23-2010, 09:56 AM
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Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

I have kyb agxes... When I got them I was running them on 4 in the back (stiffest) and 3 in the front... That was a touch harsh (matched with neuspeed sports). So I switched to 3 all around within a couple months so my teeth would stay put (I also have ES poly bushings, but stock sway bars). The car was extremely well balanced like this and had very little understeer... the backend would "step out" in aggressive cornering... but you had to push it hard. I ran it this way for almost 2 years, but the 3 setting was a little hard on my wife who is very sick with Lyme disease, but I didn't always want to drive her ford focus st (it is fun), so...

About a week ago I put the agxes on 2 all around to make it a little less jarring, and you can tell a slight difference... probably better for the somewhat rough and uneven roads here in the hillbilly Appalachians. I still have very little body roll and a nice balanced feel, so I am good with this setting...

my question... Will dampers wear out more quickly on soft settings because the have more travel, or will they wear out more quickly on stiff settings because they are trying harder to resist movement?

Just curious to hear your thoughts, and I had not seen this come up in my time here at the Zone. Thanks guys (and gals).
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

^maybe we'll get that lucky

Are you guys just stupid (like me) or do you not know the answer???

No offense to Batlude, but this post got almost 50 replies is less than 20 hours...
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im looking into lowerin my 97 and i dont know which way to go..ive looked at dropzone coilover kits, tein lowering springs, eibach...and like 2 others...just dont know how i want to go about doing this. i only want to lower about 1.5" but i also want to improve stability and reaction.
But a question I can't remember being asked doesn't attract any attention???

I think I am going to go change them back to 3 right now before I take the trash, 2 is a little less harsh, but seems to be at the cost of making it a touch bouncy (a touch closer to stock feel)... I don't like that.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:11 AM
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

you guys ****ing suck, lol

Batlude has 3 pages of redundant bull**** on lowering springs... congrats batlude, you are well liked!
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ouch mr y82... i was just asking a question...i didnt expect the thread to continue to 3 damn pages
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

Batlude!, thanks for the response... any ideas on my question? that was really no offense to you... I just think it's funny that everyone else jumps on board a thread like that... you have every right to ask the question and get answers, I was just hoping for some too! Trust me man, it was all in good humor... IF I was going to be upset, it would be with all the dudes that didn't answer, not with you for asking.

edit: I see it wasn't really a lot of people that responded now that I look batlude... it was just a drawn out conversation... It was still just a jest man. Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

dont quote me but i would figure the stiffer it is the more easier it will wear out..think about it, the shock is on its hardest setting less play for the shock, you hit a hole that shock is taking a beating.

put it on soft and it has lots of room lots of play, idk thats what i think anyway
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

HOLY ****!!! we have liftoff.

^ That was what I thought, but my wife (who is car savvy) was suggesting that it might be the other way around... so far we have 2-0 for stiffer wears out quicker (I still plan on running 3 on the agxes... I like the feel better and I need to get Koni yellows in a couple years anyway.)
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its all good y82..no hard feelings..i really didnt expect it to get drug on for three pages man..jezzus im not even a part if it anymore and it was my friggin post lol
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lol... good luck with the coilovers... send me a link.
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link to which...the form function type 1 or the skunk2 coilover kit
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form function... I guess I could have just looked them up... I've seen the skunk2s
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theyre at jhpusa.com 639.00
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if you track back thru the lowering springs thread the link is on the first page
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

that's actually a really good question that i've never heard/seen asked, or never even thought about for that matter, so that would pretty much explain why this thread isn't getting alotta responses. its not that ppl are ignoring you, its just a question that isn't asked too often, if ever.


i'd consider myself VERY mechanically inclined and both of your arguments for both sides make sense.


i will say this tho; i had agx's and neuspeed sports as my first setup for about 6-7 months til i wanted to go lower, so i switched the sports for the races which i've been on for the past ~3 years, with the struts set at 4 in the rear and 3 in the front, and haven't had a single problem yet!
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

^ 'preciate it man.

I thought it might be a lack of knowledge that was contributing to the lack of responses... but I just wanted an excuse to get PISSED!!! lol...

If anyone else has an idea, let us hear it... I guess it might be a difficult study to do for the average person, but I thought there was probably someone out there with too much time and money who had set up some sort of experiment to study this... maybe that is doubtful (not that I necessarily thought they would be on PZ anyway... I just got to thinking... and that is always a mistake.)...

What dampers have you used other than agxes? how do they compare?

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so then twokex as someone who is alot more mechanincally inclined than i...would you recommend skunk2 coilover kits or kyb agx's??
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What dampers have you used other than agxes? how do they compare?
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so then twokex as someone who is alot more mechanincally inclined than i...would you recommend skunk2 coilover kits or kyb agx's??


i can't recommend/compare to any other setup, cuz i've only had this one (well technically two) setups.
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towkex i appreciate the input and the honesty..and importtunedj ill have to look into them...i really leaning towards the skunk2 right now...i want a astable, alittle more stiff and adjustable ride.
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

this is an interesting topic, didnt notice this thread til today.

i am currently running AGX's as well. wish i would have spent the extra $$$ and got the koni's though. my next setup will be Function Form Type II's.

i would personally think that running them on a stiffer setting would wear them out faster because its so much of a rougher ride, which in turn produces faster wear and tear on everything on a car. the damper itself is made to travel up and down so why would a softer setting produce a faster wear? i have been ridin on mine at level 4 since summer time with no problems as of yet. i do alot of spirited driving and have been to the dragon at least 10 times since summer.
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^ I tried 4, ran it for a while when I got them on, but around here (western nc, not too far from the dragon) the roads just didn't cooperate... 3 seems like a good compromise... I am also into spirited driving

I tried then like twokexlv6coupe first, 3 in front 4 in rear, but when I tried 3 all round and the car still felt really balanced to me, I stuck with it... maybe because my toe is off in the back I have reduced understeer? lol... I plan on starting another thread soon after I get my alignment sheet scanned... my rear toe cams were supposedly maxed out.

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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

I'm in to see the answers to this one. just cuz i mean i would consider myself pretty mechanically inclined and both arguments, for both sides make sense.

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towkex i appreciate the input and the honesty..and importtunedj ill have to look into them...i really leaning towards the skunk2 right now...i want a astable, alittle more stiff and adjustable ride.
dude didnt you already order the form function type 1's? just stick with those. why go back down to just a sleeve, when the ff's are a Full coilover setup...
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I would call up or email KYB or any real suspension company and talk to someone that really knows these things.

I am with Nick though, I never really thought about this at all.
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I think they would wear about the same, it all depends on road conditions. The main thing is to not let the the damper hit the bump stop.

I'll ask my NTI teacher tomorrow.
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

let me explain my background before i explain my theory and answer so that way you can see where i'm coming from and why i think the way i think. my job deals with fluid dynamics. hydraulics, fuel, etc. however, its on a much larger scale then cars. and in a scenario with larger scale objects, like a plane, the evidence is more obvious. reason being is for tolerances. cars have much tighter tolerances then planes. for example: on our planes, components with seals that have movement are being replaced every 6-12 months sometimes sooner sometimes longer. anything without movement rarely gets replaced. but, on smaller scales, in a scenario with a shock, the difference in wear from stiff to soft is minuscule. in a decent car company, like honda, your shocks will last the life of the car. usually 15 years give or take, depending on your roads. so they last long enough to say the wear won't make THAT much of a difference.

BUT, to answer your question, on to the theory. the more movement a seal has the quicker it wears.

so on a shock, you have a seal around the piston and that piston moves. so the softest setting will cause more movement then the stiffest setting. hence more wear on the softest setting.

but like i said, the difference is minuscule. you might get an extra few months to a year on the stiffer setting.
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Re: Damper Wear... Stiff v. Soft (no pun intended)

^wow. thanks for that... you got me thinking again.

that was kinda why I was divided on the subject... in a way less movement seemed like it should equate to less wear, I just wasn't sure why... lol. the wife liked the idea...
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