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IDLE thread doesnt help!

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I've read the final idling thread, tried everything that is on it... NOthing worked!!! heres the symptoms dat it has It idles way out of controll when cold 300-2200rpm. So i adjusted the idleing screw.....Dat didnt work, so then i screwed my idling screw all the way in now once the car warms up it keeps a steady idle of 1100. I am not a great mechanic, but I am pretty sure when you screw in and idling screw it should make my RPMS go up not stay at a constatn 1100 when it is warm. Ive checked TPS and FIV. The only code that the check engine is throwin at me is a stupid O2 sensor... Any suggestions?
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Re: IDLE thread doesnt help!

Yes,

IT DOES Help.... EVERYTHING MEntioned in the Other Thread is ALL the symptoms, and fixes, that WILL FIX the idle issue.

You tried everything on it? ReallY? I doubt it...

Did You REPLACE ALL of your Vacuum hoses. You can test for leaks, BUT, that does NOT mean you are going to visibly find any. Vacuum issues are tricky. I know, I did it. Miniscule crack, loose or worn areas where the hose connects to the nipple.

Lets see you dirve a 1996 car, which means the rubber the Vac lines are made of are 13 years old. -- u get the idea? --

Bleeding the Coolant... another GREAT fix... don't see where you did this either.

I can go on.... but instead I will put in my vote to lock this thread as it is an offense to a GREAT write up by a VERY Experienced Mechanic.
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....wow great help, glad you posted... BLAH BLAH
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....wow great help, glad you posted... BLAH BLAH

she does have a point those are the same things other people have posted in all the thread about idling problems. and what she metioned are the exact causes of it, the leaks, vacume hoses, coolant level, etc. if you checked those or replaced them and its still idling wierd then yeah its a serious problem. i've had this problem as well too on my lude and all i did was what everyone and the threads told me to look for. and i am pretty sure this thread will be locked soon since theres a billion of these started and the ones that have the answers to help you out.

but yeah it basically has to do with the FITV, bleeding coolant, air bubbles, vacume leaks, etc

i would also check out that o2 sensor and see if somethings wrong with that. might be wasting more gas then u have too
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unless theres a magical vaccum line that turns invisible, it cant be a vaccum. Not tryin to be a dick, but sometimes when someone says they checked and done stuff they might have actually done it....
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Re: IDLE thread doesnt help!

why u have an attitude, you come here for help then you get mad bc someone is helpin you, thats retarded
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aiiiiiiir in the coolent system.
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unless theres a magical vaccum line that turns invisible, it cant be a vaccum. Not tryin to be a dick, but sometimes when someone says they checked and done stuff they might have actually done it....
the smallest amount of Air in the cooling System can also cause the IACV to not work properly.. have you cleaned the IACV and bled the system. I did it twice.

In my case..... It took REPLACING all the old, weathered, heated, cooled, cracked, failing vacuum lines to
1) - remove all possibilities
2) - discover my so-called Honda Mechanic MISSED a vacuum line.


....and if you HAD done everything EXACTLY As recomended, I BET you the problem would be a non-issue right now.


and WHY am I so sure of this???????????????
Because I followed his advice to a "T" and it solved my problems!
Yes, plural, because my idle was caused by MULTIPLE ISSUES! - our cars are old.

You are new, sorry, you werent around when the Idle thread was created BECAUSE of people like you posting the same CRAP over, and over, and over again. The ANSWERS have been alllllllll neatly compiled for you. Use em. The fix is there... I Gaurantee it!
You DIDN'T post any details of your troubleshooting process NOR did you, in your original post here, or on the OTHER thread, confirm ANYTHING Other than cranking down your idle screw, which is an amature move at best. Hence my assumptions.
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Re: IDLE thread doesnt help!

How the hell is she helpin me? By callin me a liar and stupid? Come on dats not help... Wow if thats help, i think i am good.. Woulndt you have an attitutude if u were being called a liar Its kinda stupid when you say you've checked and replaced parts, and some idiots says you didnt, gets a lil frustrating.
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the FINAL idle problem thread!!!!!
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But since everyone says its a vaccum line, i will by more tubing and replace them all! If you guys r right i will apologize...
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Its kinda stupid when you say you've checked and replaced parts, and some idiots says you didnt.
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But since everyone says its a vaccum line, i will by more tubing and replace them all! If you guys r right i will apologize...
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Wow dude, I wouldnt call her an idiot. She's one of the smartest ppl on this forum when it comes 2 electronics...if not THE smartest. God forbid u have an electrical problem and LilMsPrelude is nowhere 2 be found
This isn't an electrical issue....

I'm telling you dude... It is probably air in your coolent system.
Let your car heat up to opp temp and then feel the top hose to see if it has any pressure and to see if it is as hot as the bottom hose.

2nd an easy way to tell if there is something wrong with your vac hoses is to spray down your engine bay on all the hoses and gaskets to see if it surges when you do. I did this to find that my intake manifold gasket was shot.

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Re: IDLE thread doesnt help!

my idle problems werent solved untill i got to the final idle thread

but i had to follow it step by step

the pdf manual also helped a hell of alot
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Check your timing. For the first 30 seconds my truck is on, it bounces from 400 rpms all the way to 1600. back and forth until it warms up and evens out. and I know for a fact its my timing.
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first of all everybody needs to chill the hell out... i mean who are we to say that the man hasn't checked all the things in that idle thread?? the problems mentioned in that thread are the most common problems that cause fluctuating idle in our cars, but they are deffinately not the only things that can cause it... so instead of bashing the man right off the bat, just ask him to explain a little better what all he has done and help him fill in the blanks....

sorry jrodsowers for the **** you got, but just let it go this is actually a pretty nice forum when you get to know some people!!

have you changed that o2 sensor that you're getting the CEL for? that could be what is causing your idle problem also, o2 sensors can cause multiples of things to act up

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I am starting by saying .welcome to the site.The prelude gang here are very positive with the info given ,some times the person having the mechanical issue doesn't realize, the info given is not very clear ,and that makes it a little more difficult ,Haven said that, Things to check again ,1-the o2 sensor should be change if it has over 75000, 2- check your throttle cable no slack should be notice ,3 -make sure your intake butterfly inside isn't hung up when closed .4- Make sure your coolant isn't no more than 2 yrs old ,this will give heater core and engine and ,raddaitor a better cooling system ,make sure to use qaulity coolant .Keep posting .Later
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hey bro: i forgot to ask if you checked the iacv its very important you look at ,there is away of testing it on the car ,make sure the engine has warmed up to temperture meaning the fans should go on ,take out the cold air intake look for two hole inside the throttle body the one on the top is iacv inlet ,and the one on the bottom is the fitv ,with the engine started put your finger on the top hole the engine should turn of ,then do the same thing to the bottom hole, the engine wil created suction if engine dose't turn off or idle down ,with your finger in the hole that's the possible problem ,you need to take out the valve and make sure is cleaned and adjusted ,this for the fitv ,the iacv runs the coolant lines and the valve gets clogged with crud ., if the fitv and iacv are good ,then possible you have a bad intake leak on the manifold or the the throttle body.Okay later piece
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first of all everybody needs to chill the hell out... i mean who are we to say that the man hasn't checked all the things in that idle thread?? the problems mentioned in that thread are the most common problems that cause fluctuating idle in our cars, but they are deffinately not the only things that can cause it... so instead of bashing the man right off the bat, just ask him to explain a little better what all he has done and help him fill in the blanks....

sorry jrodsowers for the **** you got, but just let it go this is actually a pretty nice forum when you get to know some people!!

have you changed that o2 sensor that you're getting the CEL for? that could be what is causing your idle problem also, o2 sensors can cause multiples of things to act up

now everybody shake hands and be friendly because if i have to come back again, im gonna be crackin skulls!!

I agree but if you realy want to fix the problem and you not break a sweat and money isnt an issue.... hahaha..... suck it up and go to the honda dealer and they will fix it for a rediculous price, but it will be fixed. And you could always just completely rebuild the motor. But thats a little extreme.
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Will finish the vaccum lines tomorrow, then since i know that not the problem I am goin to do wat 91Si4WS. Then i goin to buy some c4 and blow it up.... J/k i love my car to do that!
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if you're going to get a new o2 sensor for it, order a NTK off the net... you'll save some cash compared to a Bosch or the other crap that is sold at parts stores and you wont have to change it out again within a year... !!
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After slaving in the cold 38 degrees(dats cold for texas) i replaced all vaccum lines, and o2 sensor... So any of other ideas?
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have you checked your coolant level, and bled your coolant system to make sure there wasnt any air trapped inside? or have you removed your IACV and cleaned it?
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have you checked your coolant level, and bled your coolant system to make sure there wasnt any air trapped inside? or have you removed your IACV and cleaned it?
I told him to do this and he never got back to me on it.
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Removed IAC, cleaned it, replaced the expensive TPS. Today i will be bleed my coolant
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Ok, just finish bleeding my coolant... Still no change, wat else guys
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blown head gasket, check ur oil see if its milky lookin, thermo stat
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Re: IDLE thread doesnt help!

Blown Intake Manifold gasket.

Start the car up and spray some throttle body/carb cleaner up against where the intake manifold and head meet each other, bottom and top, if it surges then that's your problem.

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