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Old 10-24-2009, 09:21 PM
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Transmission troubles

Hi guys, im new here and looking to get some help. My 1998 prelude recently rolled 150k miles and I decided to give it some sort of a tuneup to keep it running good. I had a list of things to do, air filter, spark plugs, tranny fluid, and flush the radiator. My dad told me that we had a bunch of transmission fluid in the garage, so i figured id start there. So I jack the car up and start draining the old stuff out and go to find the new stuff my dad said we had.

It turns out we only had A TON of automatic transmission fluid, and I know i cant use that. I didn't want to put the old fluid back in, because i drained it into an oil pan. I decided it would be best to go out and get some of the right fluid instead of using the auto tranny fluid. The store is only a few miles from my house so I filled my transmission up with distilled water and went to go get some fluid. I got there trouble free and got one bottle of royal purple synchromax. Anyway, on the way back the transmission started whining and it was hard to get into 1st, 3rd and 5th.

So I got back, drained the water and put in the entire bottle of royal purple in. It's been 3 or 4 days since I did this and its still hard to shift into those gears. The whining is also getting much louder. Did i screw up my transmission? What should i do?

Sorry for the long post, but i really need help. Also, does anyone have a how to for changing the spark plugs?
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:43 PM
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Re: Transmission troubles

Nobody knows? I drove it to work today and its definitely getting worse.
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Re: Transmission troubles

putting water in the trans is like putting it your oil no good.it takes more then one bottle
and 5spd's use motor oil in the trans. go to the auto parts and ask them how many bottles you need for the trans. i thank 2 1/2 - 3 not sure.
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Re: Transmission troubles

Why would a 5speed use motor oil? That doesnt make any sence at all. And royal purple synchromax is said to be some of the best stuff you can get. Are you sure I would need more than one bottle of it?
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Re: Transmission troubles

positive u would need more than 1 bottle if u completely drained the tranny. i heard the royal purple synchromax is great for ur tranny but relatively expensive. not sure at all about motor oil being the oil used in tranny. but for sure to top off ur tranny it should take anywhere between 2-3 1/2 bottles.
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Re: Transmission troubles

the trans oil for manual are for sure motor oil and the shifting problem along with noise sound bad but did you change the filter and the trans has electrical sensor that might not be engaging and most likely throw a code so thast one thing tolook for plus,and make sure you have the correct atf rating plus the amount most be withing the limit or the trany will slip or not engage .
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Re: Transmission troubles

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so I filled my transmission up with distilled water
I had no idea you could do that.
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Re: Transmission troubles

I tried adding some 5w30 synthetic motor oil but the problem is still there, it wont go into first AT ALL and it whines really loud inside the car in all gears. I took it to a shop and told the mechanic what has happened, he told me the entire transmission will need to be replaced because i drove it with water in it. I dont see the big deal with using water since it was only a couple miles and it was DISTILLED water. Please someone help me with this.
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Re: Transmission troubles

Well I'm no expert, but I'm willing to bet you done screwed up your tranny. And water isn't exactly a "good" lubricant. More than likely you'll need to at least replace the internals of your transmission. You could have put the automatic transmission fluid in the transmission instead of distilled water... I would probably say ANY type of oil would have been better than water, like mineral oil, or olive oil...

Hell, I would have put astroglide in there before water.
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Well I'm no expert, but I'm willing to bet you done screwed up your tranny. And water isn't exactly a "good" lubricant. More than likely you'll need to at least replace the internals of your transmission. You could have put the automatic transmission fluid in the transmission instead of distilled water... I would probably say ANY type of oil would have been better than water, like mineral oil, or olive oil...

Hell, I would have put astroglide in there before water.
I don't get why everyone keeps saying this, i used DISTILLED WATER. It cant be that bad for it, and it was only a short trip there and back. My dad agrees that I shouldnt have put auto trans fluid in, and he says the water probably wouldnt cause the issue. Is there any easy fix I could do so this car starts going into gear again?
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I don't get why everyone keeps saying this, i used DISTILLED WATER. It cant be that bad for it, and it was only a short trip there and back. My dad agrees that I shouldnt have put auto trans fluid in, and he says the water probably wouldnt cause the issue. Is there any easy fix I could do so this car starts going into gear again?
The water didnt provide any protection for your gears, water isnt a lubricant. The water didnt wreck your tranny, the fact that you had no tranny fluid in it wrecked your tranny. Id say at this point there is no easy fix
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Re: Transmission troubles

How could water not be a lubricant? Ever see a sign in a mall that says "caution wet floor" and has a picture of someone slipping? My dad says it probably just happened when i changed the fluid by coincident because of the high mileage. Am I gonna have to swap in a new tranny, or do you guys think this old one can be fixed?
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Theres a reason you put gear oil into your tranny and not water! you didnt put enough gear oil in either if you only used one bottle.
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Re: Transmission troubles

Okay....regardless of our opinions on how well water does or doesnt lubricate, especially distilled water.....What do you guys think my options are as of now?
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Re: Transmission troubles

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Okay....regardless of our opinions on how well water does or doesnt lubricate, especially distilled water.....What do you guys think my options are as of now?
Your options as of now is a new transmission. You can drain the transmission fluid to see if any metal shavings come out with the oil now, which more than likely there will be.

I'm curious, what kind of automotive experience do you or your dad have that would bring you guys to the conclusion water = lubricant? The problem with water is that the viscosity is very low compared to oils, therefore it is easier for a gear to cause cavitation in the liquid; cavitation = no lubrication, period.

And as far as AT fluid in a manual.
Transmission, Driveline, Hybrid Drive engineering - ATF in manual gearbox?
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Re: Transmission troubles

My dads been working on cars for years and i'd appreciate it if you didnt imply that he didnt know what he was doing...not cool man. And I cant afford a new transmission. I tried spraying some wd-40 into it tonight but i wont be driving it again til tomorrow, ill let you guys know how it goes.
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Get 3 quarts of gear oil, drain that mix of water and motor oil and gear oil and wd40 haha, fill the tranny with the right amount (alittle over 2, its like 2.2) and see where youre at from there. If the problems are still there after you do that....... then your tranny is pretty much done.
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Re: Transmission troubles

So I drained out everything in the transmission and i filled it up with motor oil instead. It seems a little bit better, it goes into all the gears but it still whines pretty loud. Also when im driving at like, 60 or so the car will be at a constant 5000rpm but have no power at all. Is my engine ****ting the bed now too? What is wrong with this thing?
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Re: Transmission troubles

Did you check the fluid that you drained out of the transmission for any debris? Metal filings or pieces? I wouldn't think it would have affected the engine at all, but more than likely the gears inside the tranny are no longer in "good" condition. They probably became rusted when the water was put in.

I would say probably the easiest thing to do to fix it is to get a used transmission. I know of people that have that transmission with 300,000+ miles are still in great condition.
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Re: Transmission troubles

So I went out and got a transmission from a 94 lude. The guy said it was a complete pull out and had everything I would need to drop it in. Any tips on how I can go about this swap? I dont have any money as of now for someone else to install it some im going to have to. Is there a writeup somewhere? Thanks guys.
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Re: Transmission troubles

I dont know a ton about transmissions to say the least, but water? That just doesnt sound right. Hope you get the tranny situation fixed soon. Next time I would but a ride to the store instead of using water or the wrong fluid!! lol
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Theres a reason you put gear oil into your tranny and not water! you didnt put enough gear oil in either if you only used one bottle.
GEAR OIL is the key words in that sentence. Manual transmissions take GEAR OIL. Its the same thing that goes in differentials. NOT MOTOR OIL. Though motor oil will work, its only a band-aid. Do not run your cars trans with motor oil. Not that you guys know/care, but ATF is used in transfer cases

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Your options as of now is a new transmission. You can drain the transmission fluid to see if any metal shavings come out with the oil now, which more than likely there will be.

I'm curious, what kind of automotive experience do you or your dad have that would bring you guys to the conclusion water = lubricant? The problem with water is that the viscosity is very low compared to oils, therefore it is easier for a gear to cause cavitation in the liquid; cavitation = no lubrication, period.

And as far as AT fluid in a manual.
Transmission, Driveline, Hybrid Drive engineering - ATF in manual gearbox?
I'm going to have to agree here...

I'm going to be honest, I have never in my life put water in my transmission. Your the only person I know who has, and look what happened to your trans. Water and metals do not mix. Rust is a prime example. I cannot say for sure what material gears are made out of, but I can tell you a transmission is no place for water I can promise you that. Read the last few lines here:
Drying Your Soaked Manual Transmission - Trucks 4x4 @ Off-Road.com
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Minute quantities of water will naturally work their way out when the transmission is at operating temperature. Tiny amounts of water can steam/evaporate off out the tranny vent. Larger amounts of water will emulsify with the oil and do BAD THINGS. Water-contaminated oil doesn't adhere to surfaces as well, and bearings and gears don't live long without a protective film of petroleum.
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Hey guys i am not going crazy < water in trany > wow that's really bad but lets not rank on the kid alright his problem was lack of information .The manual transmission that honda uses in our preludes and accords use either 1030 ,1040 ,gear oil is of different viscosity . what you need ,is to change the trany oil with cheap brand a few times maybe save you from buying another trany , i never had a problem with water i a transmission .Later Good luck .JOhn
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