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Old 10-22-2009, 10:48 PM
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Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

So, this was my brother's car once. It's a 93 4WS, which was left to rot in my parent's driveway. Unemployment (sigh) has given me plenty of leisure time to take this up as a project. A money pit while unemployed? Yes, not the best idea. But then, a sense of accomplishment is an important thing when you're down.

So, I need a little help getting this project going. Some of my questions may seem a bit noobish, I'm sure, but I'm hoping to learn a lot from this. That's where you guys come in. :)

I was working on upgrading to the VTEC brakes (which got a little complicated) when I came across a couple of troubling things.

First is the this boot, circled in red:




It's torn completely around. It runs more or less parallel to the CV axle, but I'm not exactly sure what it is or what it does or what effect the torn boot will have. Any elaboration, part numbers and advice is appreciated.



Next are some of the bushings that appear to be pretty well worn:

This one is attached mid-way on the lower control arm. Again, not sure what it's function is, but it looks pretty well worn





Here it is again from a different angle, where you can kinda see the control arm




Here's a different bushing, just behind the rotor (a shiny new 11.1" Brembo blank)


You can just see how the rubber is visibly cracked on the left side of that one.
Is it worth going to polyurethane bushings in this case? Any other options to consider? How hard would it be to install the bushings? Again, part numbers and sources are very much appreciated.


Many thanks in advance for your help, I'll update as the project comes along. Still waiting on some 23T brackets to materialize so that I can get the new calipers on. Going to the junkyard tomorrow in search of calipers. Other plans include an H22 and M2A4, lightened flywheel and HKS exhaust. Also have some JDM fenders and a carbon sunroof to get in there.

To be continued...
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

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tie rod boot






swaybar end-link bushings





tie-rod balljoint

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upgrading to polyurethane bushings would def be an awesome investment if your looking to get the most outta your suspension, but not needed if you just wanna get it on the road.
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

about the tie rod boot, what goes into fixing this? From what I've read, it's more or less a dust protector, correct?

What can happen if it's not fixed? I'm not sure how long those suckers have been torn so I guess I might want to look a little deeper if there are any other potential side effects.
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All the tie rod boot does is keep dirt and road grime out of the inner tie rod. The inner tie rod is a ball design to allow suspension movement while maintianing a stationary steering rack. After a while with a busted boot it will start to bind up and cause noise and steering issues. Replacement isn't that hard but requires the removal of the outer tie rod, but if your replacing the outer tie rod then get the boot at the same time and do them both. Then get an alignment.
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

Good to see you taking care of a 4WS and trying to get it back on the road. (I have one too)

These cars should NEVER be left to rot. The preludes are becoming more rare, especially the 4WS models, so don't give up on her.

Let us know how everything goes.
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i just got done with what you are about to do...

i ordered both front tie rod ends and rack and pinion boots from auto zone. two tie rod ends and both rack and pinion boots ran me a little over $100. the bushings shouldn't be that much but auto zone should carry energy replacements. the parts weren't oem but they were jdm!
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

Thanks for the advice, everyone.

Not sure if I should be replacing the outer tie rod. Anyway to check if there's a problem there? I kinda figured I could just replace the boot, but if there's reason to suspect there might be other problems, let me know.

I'll try to shoot some more pics so you guys can see the overall condition of the car. It's not much to look at right now, but I hope to get it all straightened out soon.
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

Again, sorry for all the questions, but I do appreciate the responses as I figure all this out.

I did a bit of Window shopping at Rock Auto and this is a potential parts list. If you have any comments or corrections, let me know. Want to make sure I get it all right.

Steering : Tie Rod End --
DEEZA Part # HNA605
Front Inner (2)
DEEZA Part # HNT602
Front Left Outer
DEEZA Part # HNT604
Front Right Outer

Steering : Rack and Pinion Bellow --
RAYBESTOS Part # 4301050 {Professional Grade}
Left
RAYBESTOS Part # 4301080 {Professional Grade}
Right

I haven't been able to find the sway-bar end link bushing, but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. Rock had a listing for a REAR sway end bushing, which I thought was interesting because I thought 4WS models didn't have a rear sway (am I wrong?)
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

OK, new update with more pics. Here goes.

Overall shots of the car:



You can see some body panel/door damage in these:



(that's my FA5 in the background)



Closeup of the damage:



Yep, that's an apex'i N-1 being held up by wire...It's going to be replaced by an HKS exhaust



Rough-looking bracket. Considering painting the calipers/brackets, it's a bit ricey but these brackets were hard enough to find (23T for VTEC brake conversion).



Test fitting the brackets. It's a go!



Steering wheel. It was starting to peel pretty bad, so I added this leather wrap. I cross-stitched it on to match my FA5's wheel. It's a little thing, but it feels like a completely different wheel now. A great, cheap upgrade ($30-ish shipped). Oh, you can just see the center stack in this one. I pulled out the A/C control. All the vents were broken and the controls weren't working. I know it can be re-soldered, but given that the vents need replacing, too, I'd rather just replace the whole thing. It was in really bad shape. If you have one, let me know:



It used to have a Momo shift boot, but so many years under the Florida sun without any care turned the thing to jerky. I added this ITR boot. Takes a bit of cutting to get it to fit, but it fit quite nice. The knob is a Trust (not Greddy) knob. I'm considering replacing it with a Type-R/Skunk2 knob. The Trust is nice and it gets JDM points, but it's a little too light for my taste. We'll see.



The center console. I know this isn't the original console, but I don't know much else about it. Anyone know where this came from?



E-brake looks pretty rough. Open to suggestions on what to do about it. The button's silver finish basically cracked off. I wouldn't mind leather-wrapping the handle, too. If you know of any options, let me know.



Razo pedals. Eh.



JDM lights, need polishing:




Also, if anyone knows of a good DIY/Walkthrough on tie-rod replacement, it would be much appreciated. I posted a possible parts list earlier in the thread, but never got any responses. Any advice is, as always, appreciated.


Thanks for looking. The project continues.
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tie-rods are nice and easy to replace if you decide that route. you do need to split that ball joint though, and those are no fun. since it is going to be replaced you could just hammer it off from the bolt, or rent a ball joint separator...

-remove cotter pin and 17mm (i believe) bolt to split the tie rod ball joint.

-grab an adjustable wrench and stick it on the flat section of the tie rod just in front of the bolt and boot.

-mark the position of the bolt near the boot with a sharpie (mark on threads nearest boot to ease later alignment). then remove that bolt (possibly 14mm?). this is where the adjustable wrench comes in handy when cranking on that bolt.

-tie rod should loosen and thread off of rack and pinion. the boot is now accessible. remove the marked screw and replace that boot!

-thread on the bolt to your mark (after boot was replaced)and thread on that shiny new tie rod end!

-stick the ball joint end back into the knuckle and torque to 40lbs/ft. back off a bit if needed to insert the new cotter pin.

-next, the other side!
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Re: Need help reviving an old Lude, pics inside

Try this videos....Copy and paste on the internet browser.
tie - Google Videos rod boot&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#
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.tie - Google Videos rod boot&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#
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Sorry, The link is not working, on goggle search type: tie rod boot.
On the upper screen select videos.
Hope this help you better.
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