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Weird clutch?

so its a 92 with a 96 h22 the clutch is brand new but it doesnt release until the pedal is almost fully engaged. it has a lightweight flywheel in it and i think the stock clutch. whys it doing that? and also shifting into second at like 3 or 4 grand it pops out and when your downshifting into second it doesnt go in right away but if you wiggle it it goes right in. what could be the cause of that?
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Pedal isint adjusted correctly
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Re: Weird clutch?

it sounds like it has a stage 2 or 3 clutch in it...considering its got a lightned flywheel i would guess nobody in their right mind would pair a stock clutch witha lightned flywheel....
i got a stage 2 on my H22 and it is either on or off...it doesnt release untill the pedal is almost all the way out...but i like it like that..

as far as it poppin out of gear ...the tranny is shot, well the syncros are.
mine grinds goin into second and it pops out from time to time...also 3rd is startin to get scratchy but i still beat the piss out of it. and its been like that for 2 years

first id say bleed the clutch and make sure there is no air in the lines and to make sure its workin correctly if that doesnt fix it...........join the club u need a tranny...

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yeah but it doesnt grind or anything it just sort of pops out but goes right in then and downshifting it doesnt go in right away and then a little wiggle and it goes right in. well the clutch is stock because the kid who had it before had a stage 2 and didnt know how to drive it and fried it so he put the stock one back in
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check ur shifter linkage make sure its not interfering with anything otherwise i still think the syncros are shot....and the clutch maybe ur just not use to it
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Re: Weird clutch?

My freshly swapped JDM h22 with a new clutch (everything else stock) feels wierd. It doesn't start grabbing until like half way up the petal travel. I like it to grab more towards the bottom, a few inches from the floor. I'm going to adjust the pedal tomorrow according to the repair manual. I'll let you know how that goes.
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Re: Weird clutch?

Evilbird... you are lucky I'm not a mod... let's just leave it at that... that advice you give people/claims you make are ridiculous sometimes.

First of all, it could very well be a stock or a stage 1 clutch... TONS of people run lightened flywheels with stock and/or stage 1 clutches (Myself being one of them... 8lb flywheel with a stage 1 clutch) and it's completely normal... Just like tons of people unnecessarily run stage 2/3 clutches thinking it somehow makes their car faster... (It doesn't, BTW... please try to argue with me... I welcome it )

Secondly, you telling this kid that his tranny/syncros are shot when all you hear is that it's popping out of gear is absolutely ridiculous as well. If your clutch is failing in any way shape or form, it's going to create the same exact effect (trouble getting shifter into gear on upshift and/or downshift)... Now, if you are saying that you're just driving along, in gear, not touching your shifter at all, and all of a sudden your shifter pops itself out of gear, then yeah maybe I would jump right out and say "Your tranny is shot", but otherwise, always look to the clutch first, especially when you're saying that it is not fully DISengaging until it's on the floor.

The one thing you said that anyone should actually pay attention to is:
Check your clutch hydraulics.

Also, untothecruel is absolutely right. If you have a "brand new" clutch, like you said, you may need to adjust the throw of your clutch pedal.

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that your problem is likely caused by one of two things:

1) you need to adjust the throw of your clutch pedal
2) air in/leaking/low hydraulics

First of all:
Adjusting the pedal:
There are directions on how to do this on this website, on other forums, and IN THE HELMS MANUAL (DEFINITELY DOWNLOAD THIS LIFE SAVING PIECE OF MATERIAL). One thing I will elaborate upon here (because it's kind of hard to tell from all other tutorials):

Thread the piston TOWARDS the firewall to bring engagement/disengagement AWAY FROM the floor.

Thread the piston AWAY FROM the firewall to bring engagement/disengagement CLOSER TO the floor.

So, in other words, you want to thread the piston TOWARDS the firewall so you can bring your engagement up a little bit. You are gonna want to do this in small increments at a time, as a small adjustment down here can create a HUGE difference in the engagement point. Do this until you get it where you want it... some like it closer to the floor, some like it farther away. I personally have mine engaging about 1/2-1" off the floor.... I like it very close. Others like it farther away.

After you get this the way you like it, drive to your hearts content, and see if the problem goes away (it almost definitely will). If the problem comes back, it means you have a hydraulic problem.

If you have a hydraulic problem, follow these steps.
First and foremost: Check your clutch master cylinder reservoir. If it is low, top it off and bleed the system (if you don't know how to do this, have someone help you that does).

If it was not low: bleed the system anyway. There may have been air in your lines (and air compresses when you pump the clutch, which will affect the throw of the slave cylinder).

If it still does not help, or if it helped but over time the problem returned: Time to check the lines for leaks. Follow the hydraulic lines from the slave cylinder all the way back to the master cylinder. Also climb under your dashboard and look at where the piston attached to the clutch pedal pushes through the firewall (and into the master cylinder). If there is any leaking hydraulic fluid around that area, your problem is a leaking/faulty master cylinder.

Replace anything that you find that is leaking, whether it's the hard line, the slave cylinder, the hose, or the master cylinder.

If you can't find any leaks, I still recommend changing at least your slave cylinder (it's only like a 20 dollar part at any auto part store, and it's only like a 20 minute install). After you do ANY of these things (install slave cylinder, master cylinder, hose, hard line), you want to bleed the system to remove any air introduced during your install.


If none of the above solves the problem, it could be a faulty clutch component already (maybe bad install, or poor driving patterns... no offense). If none of the above helps, I would take it to a specialist for diagnosis.

I just want to stress one thing:
In my opinion at least, the problem you are describing is NOT indicative of a bad transmission/syncros. It IS indicative of an improperly adjusted clutch pedal, bad clutch hydraulics, or a bad clutch (in that order of likelihood).

One more thing to keep in mind...

If you adjust the clutch pedal and your problem goes away but comes back... move on to the hydraulic diagnosis/repairs like I said.
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After making the hydraulics repairs, REMEMBER TO READJUST THE CLUTCH PEDAL AGAIN AS THE ENGAGEMENT POINT WILL PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT

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Re: Weird clutch?

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Re: Weird clutch?

Let me elaborate on something:

Do everything that I said first...

If it is STILL grinding going into gears (even after bringing the engagement point up off the floor), then it would be indicative of bad syncros....

It also can and will help to replace your transmission oil. Only use genuine Honda MTF OR genuine GM Syncromesh...

Another thing to keep in mind is that you want to fix this situation (the low engagement point) as soon as possible. If you continue to grind into gears, it WILL begin to damage the gear syncros...


It sounds to me that what is happening is that your engagement point is so low (or you have a hydraulic problem that is so bad) that your clutch is not fully disengaging even when your foot is fully to the floor. This is causing your transmission mainshaft (input shaft) to remain engaged because your clutch and flywheel are remaining mated a bit, which is making it difficult to shift in between gears and is making your gears grind...

This will also cause your clutch to wear much more while trying to get up into first gear (the face of the flywheel is probably slightly spinning against the face of the clutch even when your clutch pedal is fully depressed, but there probably isn't enough clamping power on the clutch to make the car actually start to move... so the clutch face is probably staying still and the flywheel is probably spinning right up against it wearing it down)

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Evilbird... you are lucky I'm not a mod... let's just leave it at that... that advice you give people/claims you make are ridiculous sometimes.

First of all, it could very well be a stock or a stage 1 clutch... TONS of people run lightened flywheels with stock and/or stage 1 clutches (Myself being one of them... 8lb flywheel with a stage 1 clutch) and it's completely normal... Just like tons of people unnecessarily run stage 2/3 clutches thinking it somehow makes their car faster... (It doesn't, BTW... please try to argue with me... I welcome it )

Secondly, you telling this kid that his tranny/syncros are shot when all you hear is that it's popping out of gear is absolutely ridiculous as well. If your clutch is failing in any way shape or form, it's going to create the same exact effect (trouble getting shifter into gear on upshift and/or downshift)... Now, if you are saying that you're just driving along, in gear, not touching your shifter at all, and all of a sudden your shifter pops itself out of gear, then yeah maybe I would jump right out and say "Your tranny is shot", but otherwise, always look to the clutch first, especially when you're saying that it is not fully DISengaging until it's on the floor.

The one thing you said that anyone should actually pay attention to is:
Check your clutch hydraulics.

Also, untothecruel is absolutely right. If you have a "brand new" clutch, like you said, you may need to adjust the throw of your clutch pedal.

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that your problem is likely caused by one of two things:

1) you need to adjust the throw of your clutch pedal
2) air in/leaking/low hydraulics

First of all:
Adjusting the pedal:
There are directions on how to do this on this website, on other forums, and IN THE HELMS MANUAL (DEFINITELY DOWNLOAD THIS LIFE SAVING PIECE OF MATERIAL). One thing I will elaborate upon here (because it's kind of hard to tell from all other tutorials):

Thread the piston TOWARDS the firewall to bring engagement/disengagement AWAY FROM the floor.

Thread the piston AWAY FROM the firewall to bring engagement/disengagement CLOSER TO the floor.

So, in other words, you want to thread the piston TOWARDS the firewall so you can bring your engagement up a little bit. You are gonna want to do this in small increments at a time, as a small adjustment down here can create a HUGE difference in the engagement point. Do this until you get it where you want it... some like it closer to the floor, some like it farther away. I personally have mine engaging about 1/2-1" off the floor.... I like it very close. Others like it farther away.

After you get this the way you like it, drive to your hearts content, and see if the problem goes away (it almost definitely will). If the problem comes back, it means you have a hydraulic problem.

If you have a hydraulic problem, follow these steps.
First and foremost: Check your clutch master cylinder reservoir. If it is low, top it off and bleed the system (if you don't know how to do this, have someone help you that does).

If it was not low: bleed the system anyway. There may have been air in your lines (and air compresses when you pump the clutch, which will affect the throw of the slave cylinder).

If it still does not help, or if it helped but over time the problem returned: Time to check the lines for leaks. Follow the hydraulic lines from the slave cylinder all the way back to the master cylinder. Also climb under your dashboard and look at where the piston attached to the clutch pedal pushes through the firewall (and into the master cylinder). If there is any leaking hydraulic fluid around that area, your problem is a leaking/faulty master cylinder.

Replace anything that you find that is leaking, whether it's the hard line, the slave cylinder, the hose, or the master cylinder.

If you can't find any leaks, I still recommend changing at least your slave cylinder (it's only like a 20 dollar part at any auto part store, and it's only like a 20 minute install). After you do ANY of these things (install slave cylinder, master cylinder, hose, hard line), you want to bleed the system to remove any air introduced during your install.


If none of the above solves the problem, it could be a faulty clutch component already (maybe bad install, or poor driving patterns... no offense). If none of the above helps, I would take it to a specialist for diagnosis.

I just want to stress one thing:
In my opinion at least, the problem you are describing is NOT indicative of a bad transmission/syncros. It IS indicative of an improperly adjusted clutch pedal, bad clutch hydraulics, or a bad clutch (in that order of likelihood).

One more thing to keep in mind...

If you adjust the clutch pedal and your problem goes away but comes back... move on to the hydraulic diagnosis/repairs like I said.
BUT
After making the hydraulics repairs, REMEMBER TO READJUST THE CLUTCH PEDAL AGAIN AS THE ENGAGEMENT POINT WILL PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT
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you def know what ur saying, but i have had a lot of Honda's and alot of them have bad trannies, so i still think it is possible....he said it does pop out while driving hence thats why i said that.
i told him to check the linkage and to bleed the clutch, same as you, I also was gonna recomened GM synco mesh as thats what i run in my Lude (grinds way less)but i didnt know how handy this dude was and i dont have the time to write a bible explaining it to him(aparantly u do), if he isnt even gonna read it or be able to do the work...considering he hasnt responded back i think i made my point
if i got a little more feedback i would of tried to get him some more suggestions
And i realize stage 2 clutch isnt making a car faster but i personally like a clutch that can handle a little more abuse and wouldnt pair it with a lightned flywheel

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you def know what ur saying, but i have had a lot of Honda's and alot of them have bad trannies, so i still think it is possible....he said it does pop out while driving hence thats why i said that.
i told him to check the linkage and to bleed the clutch, same as you, I also was gonna recomened GM synco mesh as thats what i run in my Lude (grinds way less)but i didnt know how handy this dude was and i dont have the time to write a bible explaining it to him(aparantly u do), if he isnt even gonna read it or be able to do the work...considering he hasnt responded back i think i made my point
if i got a little more feedback i would of tried to get him some more suggestions
And i realize stage 2 clutch isnt making a car faster but i personally like a clutch that can handle a little more abuse and wouldnt pair it with a lightned flywheel

And ur not a mod so

p.s. no offence

Yeah I'm not gonna argue with you, I probably shouldn't have come on so harshly... Sorry about that... I just was a bit worked up at the time over something unrelated, and I took it out on you. My bad.

I just get irked when people make blanket comments, but I should have handled it better.
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Yeah I'm not gonna argue with you, I probably shouldn't have come on so harshly... Sorry about that... I just was a bit worked up at the time over something unrelated, and I took it out on you. My bad.

I just get irked when people make blanket comments, but I should have handled it better.
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