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So, having problems with your clutch? Hopefully this will be the last thread about clutch problems!

First off, you need to understand the basics of the clutch system. It is a very basic piston hydraulic system, with a piston at both ends of the system, and it works by fluid mechanics. The first piston (located in the master cylinder) pushes the fluid through the system and moves the second (slave) piston (located in the slave cylinder). Starting to get it? The difference in areas of the pistons multiply the force exerted by your foot so hundreds of pounds are exerted onto the throwout bearing and clutch assembly.


Figure 1: Clutch Hydraulic System

Problem #1: Clutch pedal sinks to the floor/doesn't have any pressure.
Reason: Air somehow got into the clutch hydraulic system, and when the pedal is depressed, the air is being compressed instead of the fluid, which is why there's no pressure. This could either be caused by;
  1. Fluid ran low,
  2. Bad master and/or slave cylinder,
  3. A leak somewhere in the line.
  4. Something broke

Solution(s), starting with the easiest;
  • -Check your clutch fluid reservoir, which is located on the firewall next to your brake fluid reservoir.
  • Is it full?
  • If "yes", skip this step. If "no", fill it up with DOT 3 or 4 fluid, and correctly bleed the clutch system.


    Figure 2: Clutch fluid reservoir (thanks Lazer!! )
  • -Check the clutch master cylinder. There is a piston coming off the back of the clutch pedal, going through the firewall, and is the actual piston that goes into the clutch master cylinder.
  • Is there any fluid dripping from the bottom of the cylinder, where it goes through the firewall?
  • If "yes", your MC is going bad and you need to replace it. If "no", proceed.


    Figure 3: Piston of the clutch master cylinder, and how to adjust the height of your pedal.(thanks Brian!! )

  • -Check the slave cylinder. It is located on the bottom-front of the engine/tranny, below the timing inspection hole, to the left of the header. Its got a rubber boot on it (which covers the piston), and its pushing a black clutch fork which goes into the tranny. Pull back the black rubber boot and see if any fluid leaks out. You can also squeeze the piston together, and it should be extremely extremely stiff. If it compresses at all, you need to replace the slave cylinder.
  • Now you should always replace your master and slave cylinder at the same time, because they both see the same about of abuse.

So, you've replaced both the master and slave cylinders, and filled the fluid. Now you need to correctly bleed the system, which will REQUIRE two people; one person pushing the clutch, and the other at the slave cylinder.
-The person at the pedal is going to pump the pedal about 20 times (this is pushing all the air towards the slave cylinder), and on the last pump they're going to hold it all the way to the floor.
-WHILE THIS PERSON IS STILL HOLDING IT AS FAR DOWN AS POSSIBLE, the 2nd person at the slave cylinder is going to crack open the bleeder valve with a 10mm wrench, and the pedal is going to sink to the floor (this is pushing the air even farther down the system towards the slave).
-STILL HOLDING THE PEDAL DOWN, the 2nd person is going to close the bleeder valve, than person #1 can pull the pedal back up. Your going to repeat this process numerous times until you get pressure back in the pedal, and this will also be the time where a solid stream of fluid comes out of the bleeder valve, instead of bubbles.
-You will also need to monitor the fluid reservoir AT ALL TIMES and make sure it is always FULL!!!!

So you've done all this, and still aren't getting any pressure back in the pedal?
You either:
  • Have a leak in the line somewhere, and need to check every inch of it for leaking fluid.
  • Broke something, like the pivoting ball in the tranny that the clutch fork pivots on. If it broke, you should be able to shake/move the fork.
  • Or the worst possibility, need a new clutch.

Problem #2: Clutch not grabbing.
Symptoms:
  • Revs up during launching/shifting/accelerating.
Confirming:
Get to about 50mph, and put it in 5th gear, then SLAM on the gas pedal. If it revs way up without going anywhere, your clutch is done for.


How-to: Change your Clutch Master Cylinder:
Please help with clutch master cylinder swap
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Re: No more CLUTCH PROBLEM threads!!!

i'm done for now. if anyone wants to add more stuff, feel free.
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Re: No more CLUTCH PROBLEM threads!!!

Wow.... AWESOME post Nick... this should squash all the clutch question threads...
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nice write-up man. wish i had this about a month ago lol. +rep for j00!
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Re: No more CLUTCH PROBLEM threads!!!

How did I miss this and I'm referenced in it? lol

Note made to self, refer others here lol...good job neck.
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great job just needed this :)
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hummm but what is a clutch?? and how would I know if I am having an issue with it??




























lol hahaha!!!
Now seriously post some clutch brand recommendations. Maybe a low price, medium price and high price Like ACT, Exedy, etc..

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Re: No more CLUTCH PROBLEM threads!!!

Just found this site while *gasp* doing a little personal research. This should answer all questions indefinitely form the looks of it( although I haven't looked at the whole site it seems to be very resourceful, correct however if someone finds this to be untrue...)

Clutchwizard.com


Edit: Apparently they are a clutch repair place...whatever, they still have LOTS of information there.
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Very Informative thanks for posting
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Very good info you guys posted here!
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Ok quick question, does raising the clutch engagement point on the pedal, because you want it higher up have any negative effects?
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Awesome clutch write up...!!!


By far the best one.....!
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theres no point in posting 'final problem threads' because somehow people still put up threads about the same problem afterwards...but good write up regardless!!
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Hey nick : That's a nice write up of the clutch system .John
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When i push my clutch down sometimes the pedal does not come up. Does that mean my clutch is out or just low on fluid? And if my clutch is out what would you recommend for a new clutch for a 92 Si
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When i push my clutch down sometimes the pedal does not come up. Does that mean my clutch is out or just low on fluid? And if my clutch is out what would you recommend for a new clutch for a 92 Si
Clutch Fluid. I'd put money on it. And either way its cheaper and easier to check/fix. So why not go with that first, right?
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this thread just saved me.....thank you....
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Thank you guys:) You just saved me soo much money..
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has anyone attempted to use one of the hand pump vacuum bleeders to bleed thier clutch?

I dont necessarily have a helper tomorrow and I have the hand pump vacuum bleeders that I use for my brakes... I wanted to use it on the clutch... anything I should know about using it? good idea? bad idea?
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This thread will definitely help me with any future problems
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hey sorry to bring back an old thread but i was wondering if i could have air in my cylinders or my clutch is just ****ed. my clutch feels like there is nothing there until past half way where it can actually catch? thanks for any help
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Yes you could have air in your master cylinder. You would just need to bleed it. Its not very hard to do either.
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Hey guys quick question. will a 97 honda prelude h22 flywheel fit a 95 honda prelude vtec h22?
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@OP Fantastic, I wanted to bleed my fluid just to get started this will be uber helpful.
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Re: No more CLUTCH PROBLEM threads!!!

if the fluid level is low, and the master cylinder has got black gunk around it, then most likely I need a new master cylinder? I'm a bit confused with the system. So if the master cylinder has gone bad and is leaking the black gunk then that is why my fluid level is low and the way to fix my problem (clutch to the floor, gears won't engage) is to install a new master cylinder? Anyone know the prices involved with this if it is the case? I doubt I can purchase and install one myself.

Also referring to an earlier question above mine, if my clutch is too the floor, but I've got leakage from my MC, then bleeding the system most likely will not help at all correct?
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