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Hello, everyone.

I am new to this forum. I've been a Honda enthusiast for many years...I got started on my friend's parents' '88 Accord. After that, another friend of mine had a brother who had like a '93(?) Civic, and after that, my friend had a newer Civic.

I bought my first Honda in 2007 -- it was a 1998 Honda Civic EX. After that I had some fun with a 1994 Acura Integra GS-R.

I've just recently purchased a 1997 Honda Prelude (base model). My favorite Honda ever is one that I test drove right before I got my Civic back in 2007 -- the ultimate driving machine. The 4th gen Honda Prelude w/ 4WS.

There's a guy here in Houston who is selling a 1992 Honda Prelude Si w/ 4WS for $1,500. Here's what's wrong with it:

Broken AC.
Broken ABS.
Dead battery.
Minor body damage.
Lacks VTEC.

My 5th gen prelude has everything this 4th gen needs. Can I swap all the good stuff over? If so, how much would the labor costs be for each thing?

How much would an overhaul for the H22A4 be to make it like new and prep it for a turbo kit? I'd want to boost it 8psi or so.

Thanks for all your help.

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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

H22a4 overhauls go anywhere from $700 for basics and if you rebuild it yourself, up to any number you can imagine if you decide to go aftermarket and/or get it rebuilt professionally. The h22 may not even need a refurbishing at the moment. How many miles are on it? Have you compression tested, or gave it a leakdown test? And if you decide to H22 swap it, then yes all those parts will fit. I Don't believe the ABS is interchangeable though.

If your serious about going turbo, there are a lot of articles you should read before doing so. If you wanna build for a low boost daily driver you'd be looking at like 10.5:1 compression ratio pistons, new rods, pins, and bearings. Thats the majors.

Do a lot of research. To be honest Honda-Tech has some great great great articles. Start here...

How to build a Turbo Motor and make it LAST!

The Ultimate Forced Induction Information Archive
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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

Reading the rules of the DIY section are useful too, then you'll know that this thread doesn't belong here.

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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

Where does this thread belong?
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Icon9 Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

Smokey:

It has about 265k miles on it, but is still going strong. Which transmission should I use?

The previous owner did a compression check on it and said it was 125psi on all the cylinders, if his memory serves.

How much would it take to fix the ABS on the Si?

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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

just wandering why are you going to take things out of your 97 and put it in a 4th gen?!?

just keep the 5th gen the way it is!
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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

Because my 5th gen doesn't have 4WS, primarily.
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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

Just swap the 4WS into in then, or sell your car and get the SH version with ATTS.
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Re: Series of swaps, 5th gen --> 4th gen

I don't think I can swap 4WS from a 4th gen into a 5th gen. I've looked for references to that and I cannot find it anywhere.
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H22a4 overhauls go anywhere from $700 for basics and if you rebuild it yourself, up to any number you can imagine if you decide to go aftermarket and/or get it rebuilt professionally. The h22 may not even need a refurbishing at the moment. How many miles are on it? Have you compression tested, or gave it a leakdown test? And if you decide to H22 swap it, then yes all those parts will fit. I Don't believe the ABS is interchangeable though.

If your serious about going turbo, there are a lot of articles you should read before doing so. If you wanna build for a low boost daily driver you'd be looking at like 10.5:1 compression ratio pistons, new rods, pins, and bearings. Thats the majors.

Do a lot of research. To be honest Honda-Tech has some great great great articles. Start here...

How to build a Turbo Motor and make it LAST!

The Ultimate Forced Induction Information Archive


I agree with everything here...

I'd also like to add--- **** ABS.

Its not necessary and to me it made braking worse unless you were in really wet conditions.

I'd say 90% of the 4th gens on this forum and otherwise have failed or non-working ABS.

With that 5th gen theres a lot of **** you can swap onto the 4th aside from just the motor/tranny setup... such as the sunroof, 5 lug conversion etc... etc...

If you really like the 4th gen more (and who can blame you heh heh heh) I say go for it.

Just do a lot of research before you make any final decisions.

I love preludezone.com, but a great resource is honda-tech.com pretty much everything you could ever think of has been discussed at least once over there, so use your search button before asking questions over there (those guys will tear you apart for asking questions that are routinely asked)

good luck!

post pics of both if you can!


Also... A/C work is ****ign expensive as hell but given that you'll use most of ur **** fromt he 5th gen it shouldn't be too bad. However the guy ur buying it from doesn't know that you're gonna do the swap... I'd use that AC job as a big bargaining chip to beat the price down to about a grand if you could.
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I agree with everything here...

I'd also like to add--- **** ABS.

Its not necessary and to me it made braking worse unless you were in really wet conditions.

I'd say 90% of the 4th gens on this forum and otherwise have failed or non-working ABS.

With that 5th gen theres a lot of **** you can swap onto the 4th aside from just the motor/tranny setup... such as the sunroof, 5 lug conversion etc... etc...

If you really like the 4th gen more (and who can blame you heh heh heh) I say go for it.

Just do a lot of research before you make any final decisions.

I love preludezone.com, but a great resource is honda-tech.com pretty much everything you could ever think of has been discussed at least once over there, so use your search button before asking questions over there (those guys will tear you apart for asking questions that are routinely asked)

good luck!

post pics of both if you can!


Also... A/C work is ****ign expensive as hell but given that you'll use most of ur **** fromt he 5th gen it shouldn't be too bad. However the guy ur buying it from doesn't know that you're gonna do the swap... I'd use that AC job as a big bargaining chip to beat the price down to about a grand if you could.
Starbai,

Thank you very much for your insight and advice!

Regardless of whether or not I truly need ABS -- how hard do you think it would be to fix it? Could it be as simple as going to the junkyard and buying a replacement computer module? How will I be able to estimate the damage without paying for an estimate? What usually goes wrong on the 4th gen ABS?

The '92 lude I'm looking at already has a moonroof, so that's not a problem... the wheels might be, though. I hate 4 lugnut designs and I love 5 lugnut ones. I have a friend who can hook me up with nice MSR wheels for wholesale or cost. How hard would it be to swap on the 5-lug wheels from my '97 lude to the '92?

Thanks again,

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