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i have a lude with about 135k miles and im leaking alot of oil from the back of my motor and i think its coming from my head gasket.
in about 8 months im planing on rebuilding my engine and i was going to get a after market head gasket that would bump up my compression alil more..now if i would change my head gasket now should i go ahead and get the oem or can i go ahead and just replace it with the after market one being the way it is now??
would it damage anything?? is oem the best? any suggestions???


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i have heard good rumours about cometic head gaskets
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cometic is the best by far.
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Why would you buy the Cometic? It's more expensive than OEM, and it's the same thickness! Well, that site specs 0.029" for the gasket thickness. OEM is about 0.026" to 0.027", crushed.

I haven't had a single problem with the OEM Honda MLS headgaskets on any of the 4 H22s I've built so far. All were NA, but I'd imagine OEM would be fine even with boost, unless you're running something crazy.

Also, you're sure it's coming from the headgasket? It's not the oil cooler o-ring, rear cylinder head seal, or distributor o-ring right? Those are far more common leakage points than the headgasket.
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Why would you buy the Cometic? It's more expensive than OEM, and it's the same thickness! Well, that site specs 0.029" for the gasket thickness. OEM is about 0.026" to 0.027", crushed.

I haven't had a single problem with the OEM Honda MLS headgaskets on any of the 4 H22s I've built so far. All were NA, but I'd imagine OEM would be fine even with boost, unless you're running something crazy.

Also, you're sure it's coming from the headgasket? It's not the oil cooler o-ring, rear cylinder head seal, or distributor o-ring right? Those are far more common leakage points than the headgasket.
yep ur right..but D is running some crazy shyt under his hood!! but as far as n/a bolts on's go i dont see the point in uprating the headgasket either unless ur running higher compression / oversized valves and pistons.
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I haven't seen a problem with an OEM headgasket even on engines running over 13:1 static CR. I'm making 216WHP NA, and I'm using an OEM gasket. No problems, even going 40 minutes WOT in a race in Texas heat. :)

What would oversized valves have to do with the headgasket? Oversized pistons, yes, but IIRC, the opening on the OEM gasket is 88mm, so you can go 1mm oversized with the OEM gasket.

Does anyone even make a thinner than OEM headgasket anymore?

Eh, if you want to raise compression a tad, just have them remove some extra material when you resurface the head.
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im planing on rebuilding my engine and i was going to get a after market head gasket that would bump up my compression alil more
A lot of people seem to think thats a great idea, but I really would stay away from shiit like that. You change your compression with pistons, not gaskets.

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Why would you buy the Cometic? It's more expensive than OEM, and it's the same thickness! Well, that site specs 0.029" for the gasket thickness. OEM is about 0.026" to 0.027", crushed.
Its most likely the material its made out of, and the time and research that was put into it. Its a head gasket, but remember without it, your motor wouldn't run. Or it would, but it'd blow up. Its a MLS gasket (as you stated) but its also got this shiit called Viton that supposed to seal it incredibly well. Its not that expensive. I wouldn't really recommend the OP to go purchase one tho.

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I haven't had a single problem with the OEM Honda MLS headgaskets on any of the 4 H22s I've built so far. All were NA, but I'd imagine OEM would be fine even with boost, unless you're running something crazy.
Agreed. The OP's motor has 135k miles. It'd be pointless to spend the money the extra on a head gasket when an OEM will do fine. If your motor had less miles I'd say go aftermarket.

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Also, you're sure it's coming from the headgasket? It's not the oil cooler o-ring, rear cylinder head seal, or distributor o-ring right? Those are far more common leakage points than the headgasket.
Again I agree^^^ Thats what I was really getting at with this post...

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Eh, if you want to raise compression a tad, just have them remove some extra material when you resurface the head.
You wouldn't gain enough to make it worth it. Not only that, I do not recommend doing that ever. You change compression with pistons. Not gaskets, or head shaving.
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A lot of people seem to think thats a great idea, but I really would stay away from shiit like that. You change your compression with pistons, not gaskets.
Why would you only change your static CR with pistons? That seems a bit short sighted.

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Its most likely the material its made out of, and the time and research that was put into it. Its a head gasket, but remember without it, your motor wouldn't run. Or it would, but it'd blow up. Its a MLS gasket (as you stated) but its also got this shiit called Viton that supposed to seal it incredibly well. Its not that expensive. I wouldn't really recommend the OP to go purchase one tho.
It's almost double the cost of OEM. It's not that expensive in the grand scheme of things when doing a rebuild, but why bother? It's most likely overkill, just like main studs.

Have you ever seen an OEM gasket fail (except in cases of installer error)?

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Agreed. The OP's motor has 135k miles. It'd be pointless to spend the money the extra on a head gasket when an OEM will do fine. If your motor had less miles I'd say go aftermarket.
What does mileage have to do with which head gasket to install?

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You wouldn't gain enough to make it worth it. Not only that, I do not recommend doing that ever. You change compression with pistons. Not gaskets, or head shaving.
You don't recommend milling the head ever? Are you serious?

I suppose you recommend swapping pistons to optimize squish clearance too?

What about optimizing performance when you're stuck using OEM pistons?
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Re: headgasket

its not the oil cooler o ring cuz i just changed that..i dont really think its the distributor o-ring.i thought it was the rear seal at first but the way that the oil is on the motor thats why im thinking more into the head gasket. on the front of my motor theres no signs of any oil leaks but the back is pretty bad right under my head. and anywayz aint it around this millage that they start to go bad..all my other seals and gaskets are going bad one after another. ima try to clean everything up and let the car run for a lil while looking under neath to see if i can detect where my oil leak is coming from. isnt there some kind of dye i can put in the oil to find where my leak is?? has anyone done a head gasket on this motor? was it a b****??

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A headgasket install is straight forward, but it's not fun. I've done plenty.

If you take care of the car, the headgasket will last a long, long time. I've seen plenty of 140k mile Preludes with no headgasket issues.

I would do exactly what you mentioned. Clean the engine very well in that area, then keep an eye on it. You can get dye that glows under UV light, but I've never seen it at a local auto parts store. You can mail order it, though.
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if i wanted to go ahead and do the head gasket would u be able to walk me through it?? thanks
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You need to get a factory service manual. Don't even think about doing something this involved without it. There are too many things that can go wrong. :)
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Why would you only change your static CR with pistons? That seems a bit short sighted.
A head gasket isn't made to change your CR. You may want it to double as that, but its not the HG's purpose.

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It's almost double the cost of OEM. It's not that expensive in the grand scheme of things when doing a rebuild, but why bother? It's most likely overkill, just like main studs.
Like I said, I agree

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Have you ever seen an OEM gasket fail (except in cases of installer error)?

What does mileage have to do with which head gasket to install?
His car probably wont last enough time to make it worth while to purchase an aftermarket HG. And yes my HG went on my prelude, obviously the OP's did (thats why we're here) and I know a few other peoples who have on their preludes.

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You don't recommend milling the head ever? Are you serious?

I suppose you recommend swapping pistons to optimize squish clearance too?
For compression ratio reasons? Never.

If you want to mill it so that the head and block seat together properly, yes. I always recommend it.

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What about optimizing performance when you're stuck using OEM pistons?
So your recommending he shave extra off of the head to gain what? maybe 4-5 hp?

And thats besides the fact that if you want to make good HP, your not going to make it from a HG or milling the seating surfaces of the head. If you want to play, you gotta pay. There is only so much that can be done on stock pistons anyway. But thats kind of getting off topic. Lets get back to the HG.
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Sorry, I meant have you seen a headgasket that has failed due to something other than installer error or age? I'd be surprised if a Cometic gasket laster longer than an OEM headgasket on a relatively stock or even fairly modified engine.

You said you never recommend milling the head. You didn't really add any qualifiers to that. That's why I questioned why you said that. It just didn't make sense to me.

You can make plenty of power with the OEM pistons. I made 216WHP with OEM pistons, OEM cams, OEM valves, etc. Before the rebuild, my engine made like 165WHP with an exhaust and intake.

Aftermarket isn't always better than OEM, especially when you factor in cost. :) That's all I'm saying, and in this case a Cometic HG is just waaaay overkill.
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Sorry, I meant have you seen a headgasket that has failed due to something other than installer error or age? I'd be surprised if a Cometic gasket laster longer than an OEM headgasket on a relatively stock or even fairly modified engine.

You said you never recommend milling the head. You didn't really add any qualifiers to that. That's why I questioned why you said that. It just didn't make sense to me.

You can make plenty of power with the OEM pistons. I made 216WHP with OEM pistons, OEM cams, OEM valves, etc. Before the rebuild, my engine made like 165WHP with an exhaust and intake.

Aftermarket isn't always better than OEM, especially when you factor in cost. :) That's all I'm saying, and in this case a Cometic HG is just waaaay overkill.
My bad about not specifying about milling the head.

And We both agree that a Cometic is not worth it so we'll keep it at that OEM will be perfectly bro. Just use an OEM HG and call it a day. If your planning on doing it yourself, have fun, and good luck.
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Exactly. I know the OEM gasket is coated as well. I wonder what it's coated with...
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