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I plan to upgrade to stage2 camshafts and cam gears and dont know if i need to replace springs&retainers with that.Anybody done that b4?Also what the best adjustment for cam gears?Thanks:spy:
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

Swapping into what engine? More information required. With stage 2 cams you'll def need a tune as well, considered that at all?

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Re: Questions about swaping cams

welcome to the site man. you should def upgrade your valve springs and retainers if you are going w/ stage 2 cams. you should also look into replacing your head studs (ARP would be your best bet). and as Colin (brash22) said you will definitely need to get your lude tuned.

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Re: Questions about swaping cams

I have a h22a4 engine.How do i tune it?Can i keep springs&retainers stock?Also when adjusting cam gears what are the best numbers?Thanks
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

Uh, it was already said you should change them.
You can leave the stock springs and retainers if you want to kiss the engine good bye.

Get a program like crome, neptune, hondata, uberdata, etc. and put it on a dyno and let a tuner tune it.

There are no best numbers because every engine is different. That's for your tuner to determine.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

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I have a h22a4 engine.How do i tune it?Can i keep springs&retainers stock?Also when adjusting cam gears what are the best numbers?Thanks
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Uh, it was already said you should change them.
You can leave the stock springs and retainers if you want to kiss the engine good bye.

Get a program like crome, neptune, hondata, uberdata, etc. and put it on a dyno and let a tuner tune it.

There are no best numbers because every engine is different. That's for your tuner to determine.
If it's an A4 he may be OBDII, so tuning just got that much harder. If you're on a budget and don't mind taking a small power cut, most stage 1 cams are compatible with stock valve springs and retainers and don't really need a tune to make good power. I've had mine for 3 years now
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

the H22A4 is OBDII, which is why I never put my cams in...Welcome to PITA city.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

So OBDII is non tune, so you have to switch back to OBDI? Or is it just the cost to be able to tune a OBDII is much more $$$$? Sorry I'm such a noob, I am setting up to go with Type S pistons and I have heard our stock cams work very well but Stage ones you say could run okay with stock springs and retainers, (but better to go with titanium springs and retainers?) And the stage 1 cams work okay without a tune, but a tune would be ideal?

Sorry I have alot of questions I have been reading other post on NA builds but they aren't too specific.

Oh yeah Pooponurhead do you still have your cams, springs and retainers for sale or are they long gone?
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

Well, I'm no expert, but you should ALWAYS get a tune after any major mod like cams and whatnot. The stage 1s do work fine with stock retainers/springs, but since its all apart, it will definitely help to replace them with some new springs and titanium retainers.

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Re: Questions about swaping cams

yea that would be great idea to replace the springs an retainers an its a must tune just watch out for those idiots looking for a quick buck, im real picky when it comes to stuff like this for my car.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

Definitely need a tune. Even when doing "light" mods like Stage1 cams, your stock tune can probably still run them, but with a proper tune, your engine will run healthier (read: more powerful), and last longer.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

How do i switch to OBD1?Do i just get OBD1 ECU? So i would'nt have to change springs&retainers if i use stage1 cams?Would stages1's be any diffrent then my stock camshafts?
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

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You need an OBD1 ECU (P28 and P72 are the most commonly used) and an OBD2>OBD1 conversion harness.

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So i would'nt have to change springs&retainers if i use stage1 cams?
You wouldn't have to, but I would highly recommend you do for performance/longevity's sake.

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Yes, otherwise they would just be OEM cams.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

No matter what everything has to be designed to work together, and when you replace old/stock parts with new/upgraded ones they have to be tuned so they are working properly within the engine as a whole. Simple upgrades don't require tuning because they probably don't do much. I'm no expert by any means... but logically if you change something its going to work differently than before and so the ECU and mechanical workings must be tuned to their optimum levels which are likely going to be different than before. With significant engine mods it will never be plug n play to make any substantial gains. It's always going be complicated.
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Even with simple "Bolt-On's" like intake/header/exhaust, you're not gaining that much power-wise until you get a tune. Even on stock K-series engines, they can pull 15+hp out of them safely with just a better tune. It's all in the tune.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

change your retainers and springs! the stage 2 has a much larger lift on the lobe and will put too much stress on the valvetrain. if you do not replace the springs/retainers youre looking at dropping a valve into the cylinder..say goodbye to that motor.
As far as tuning goes, you can tune OBDII, however OBD I is much easier to tune due to less computer interaction based off of specific sensors.
Cam degree depends on what you want... generally for low end power you advance your cams, for high end power you generally retard the cams, doing it more than say 3 degrees (not a big adjustment) could be potentially fatal to the engine. Let a tuner do it! If you dont know what youre doing with it stay away from changing the angle of the cams!!!
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Yeah there are very few people that actually know what they're doing when it comes to tuning. They are expensive for a reason.
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

cam lift and seat pressure depends on whether you can use stock springs or not. Saying that a "stage" 1 cam will work is a bit vague and ambiguous because there are some "stage" cams that are more aggressive than others.

valvesprings and retainers are not hard to install if you have the proper tooling. If you are trying to do with the head on the motor, you will need something to compress the cylinder to keep the valve from falling into the motor and to keep the valve in place while pushing the springs down with the retainers to install the keepers. Much easier to do with the head off the block.

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Ive heard that retainers&springs are a bitch to replace thats why i wanna keep them stock.Anyone has any info on how to change springs&retainers ?Thanks
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Re: Questions about swaping cams

Since you're considering upgrading your cams, why not get the head worked over (Port and Polish, Valve Job, etc) and using better springs/retainers? Cutting corners will come back to bite you in the ass. Plus if you do the aforementioned, you'll get more out of your motor power and efficiency-wise.
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not to mention, if you get headwork, those guys will install the valvetrain for you.
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im not that handy with this kinda stuff,taking the whole head out is to much work and time wich i dont have.What you mean by cutting corners? If i change springs and retainers with cams i think i should be fine.
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If i use Intake cam dur 252 lift 11.75. and Exhaust cam dur 234 lift 10.65. can i keep evrything stock?
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im not that handy with this kinda stuff,taking the whole head out is to much work and time wich i dont have.What you mean by cutting corners? If i change springs and retainers with cams i think i should be fine.

if you think removing a head is too much work then you dont need to be doing cams.
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What is the best program to use Chrome Hondata or Neptune?
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