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Old 09-18-2008, 09:32 PM
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Icon9 H22'ers Help a down prelude

Some of you may have read my thread about the bad gas, I came to learn that that was indeed 93, but had a 75% water content
Luckily, thanks to Honda, draining the gas was as simple as draining your oil ( very useful you 5th genners, if you ever have the problem jack up the ass, you can't miss it)

anyway, i drained about 95% of the gas, put Mobil Super+ 93 octane in the car. Hoping this would cure my delema

it didn't, so i ran some HEET, water remover whatever you want to call it. the car started! but it went something liek this:

crank
sputter, no start
crank
same result
crank
rev'ed to 2000 RPM's like normal and imediately fell and shut off
crank
same result
crank
same result buy stayed on idle'ing at 250-300 RPM's ( the engine shot like a turbie engine shakes on boost!)

now, even if we get it to stay on, we have this problem:
When you give it gas it dies as if your stangling it.

It's backfiring out the intake too!

ive run out of ideas, wires are good, compression is up to spec, noid is good along with the injectors spraying well, fuses etc are good, sparkplugs are good, i tested them.
fuel pump is strong.

im guessing now maybe the distributor?
that or i ****ed my timing up im guessing,
i dont understand why it backfires when i give it load and shuts off.
The car is immobile :[

i have no ****ing clue and its depressing as ****, i've been waiting for a whole year to bring this car to the school events comming up ( homecommign etc)

it might sound stupid to some of you older guys, but rember pointless things where you could show off your car were once exciting to you too...


PLEASE help, rep to ANY h22'er that can help, im BEGGING you for help, ive got bout 2 1/2 weeks to go, pleasee!

thanks in advance...
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

How did your engine stop the last time? Did it run till you shut it off? Did it die? If so did it stop very rapidly or standard engine decelleration? When was your timing belt changed? The first thought that went through my head was it got mildly hydrolocked and maybe jumped a tooth on the timing belt, enough so it wont run. Although it would be very odd for the cams to have enough momentum to actually jump time. Wierd man, good luck. Only thing that comes to mind and its kind of a stretch. Keep us updated.
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

i have no idea
i dont think i would get a healthy rev like i did for skipped timing.
not sure,

hope for the best...
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

I'd put more gas and heet in it. im sure it will take a bit to work out all of the H2O
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

10 gallons of 93 super
and 4 cans of heet.

its going to honda for sure.
unless someone has an idea...
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

did you change the fuel filter after you did all of that because there's probally still water in that if you didn't, and it doesn't take long to check the timing but i dont see how it would have jumped time... and pull the intake off and shoot some starting fluid down into the intake manifold and see if it will fire up and run off of that, if it does then you know it's still a fuel problem
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

Okay, well if you got some smooth running out of it then more than likely not mechanical. Try disconnecting battery. May be a fluke or possibly have to do with a sensor in the engine. Not positive if h22 has a knock sensor but if you had a screwed up fuel mixture it may have put the ecu in some kind of protect mode and not delivering fuel or something. Tough to say. Im not real familiar with that depth of our engines. Another thing to check is ignition. Make sure your getting spark. Coil possibly?? Pull the coil plug off the dizzy and make sure you get spark, then test the plug wires so you can narrow it down.
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

the only thing that would cause a backfire through the intake is your timing jumped or your plug wires are crossed. Your not going to be able to check the actual timing of your engine. I would just set it back to factory settings and try to start it. It is not healthy for your engine to try to run like this so I would stop trying to start it until you get your timing set.
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did you change the fuel filter after you did all of that because there's probally still water in that if you didn't, and it doesn't take long to check the timing but i dont see how it would have jumped time... and pull the intake off and shoot some starting fluid down into the intake manifold and see if it will fire up and run off of that, if it does then you know it's still a fuel problem
you ought to do this before blowing money at honda
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the only thing that would cause a backfire through the intake is your timing jumped or your plug wires are crossed. Your not going to be able to check the actual timing of your engine. I would just set it back to factory settings and try to start it. It is not healthy for your engine to try to run like this so I would stop trying to start it until you get your timing set.
why can't you check the actual timing of the engine, all you do is pull the valve cover off rotate the motor till the cams align where they're supposed to at #1TDC the check the flywheel or crank pully (whereever you have to do it from on the h22) to make sure the crank has the #1 piston at TDC
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

So I'm wondering what that much water was doing in your gas?
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

i know exactly what your talking about when showing off you car, i remember in highschool (i talk like this was years ago, even tho it was just last year) but yeah..i remember i showed off cuz everyone thought it was just another honda. but remember this, when my car was in the shop all i thought was, i would rather experience the moments i can never get back, then experience it without the car i can get back in a couple days.

i hope all goes well with your car!
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Re: H22'ers Help a down prelude

I have to agree with 91si4ws here - if you didnt change your fuel filter n that could be part of the problem, but your timing could be a huge factor.

You go to school for this stuff, so checking your timing in school should be extremely easy, givin that they actually let you do it...
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you could easily check the timing by sticking a timing light on the thing if it will run for at least a minute.
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