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Re: losing oil?????

uhhh what?

My car burns oil and its nowhere near fukked. Even with servicing my car regularly it still burns oil...THATS HONDAS FOR YA.

And black smoke is carbon build up in the exhaust, usually WHITE and sometimes BLUE is oil.
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Re: losing oil?????

If your H22 or B21 doesn't burn oil, you have an engine personally crafted by God's angels.
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Re: losing oil?????

The Honda TSB (issued by the factory for those playing at home) quite clearly states that the tolerance for oil consumption for the H22 is 1L per 5000km, whatever all that is in imperial measurements.

Now the factory wouldn't issue a Technical Service Bulliten if it weren't a concern would they?

But you're partially correct in your initial statement. I've never heard of a (non H22) Accord burning oil, and the B16s fitted to Type R Civics are known for not burning oil. They're also known for not making huge amounts of power and being incredibly hard to modify, but that's another story.

Even the K engines they build now consume oil, and the factory TSB still mentions consumption of 1L/5000km as being alright.
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Re: losing oil?????

I'm just wondering where the heck the oil goes when it's "consumed"?

I mean, hell, when I change my oil, I have to buy SIX quarts...5 for the oil change and 1 that I usually go through by the time the next oil change comes along. Dangit.
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Re: losing oil?????

Some gets burned and some gets taken by the H Series Oil Fairies. I noticed when I took my intake off the other weekend that there was a small pool of oil in the bottom of the throttle body, and I've heard of others having similar finds. This leads me to believe that there is a small loss due to blowby as well.
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Re: losing oil?????

I have great compression, strong motor good seals. i lose a little under a quart between changes sometimes more sometimes less depending, and my motor runs immaculately (knock on wood). Iv never seen an h22 (used) not burn any oil. About a quart between changes is pretty normal and depending how vtec happy you are you may burn some a little fast or a little slower. Even with GSR motors its a normal sight to see even the most maticulasly well maintained vtec motors burn oil. And as stated before the 6 cyl vtec motors dont seem to burn any though; inline vs V engine design maybe?
and as for the exhaust smoke, kinda surprised no one mentioned this already... Blue smoke indicates blow by or burning of oil in some fashion or other, WHETHER ITS OLD OIL OR NOT. Motor oil burns blue not white bot black it burns blue. Ever present and a fine example of this is the 2 stroke motor, the burning oil king of all motors. They huff and puff blue all day. Mostly because IT HAS OIL MIXED WITH GAS!!
Now as for black smoke, that means the petrol is not getting a full combustion. Now you may have had experience with cars blowing black and burning oil but that doesn't mean the black was the oil. Remember its very likely a car has more then one issue.
Also you mentioned how if your burning oil your motor is just F'd and it must be your oil rings. Incorrect sir, there are so many other ways a car can gain some sort of blow by or lose oil into the combustion chamber and burn oil. Valve seals for example are a common issue with cars that burn oil in excess.

Also as a fast side not- some motors such as radial aviation motors burn such an excess of oil it turns black. Not because motor oil burns black because it doesnt but because any amount of any color will look black in dense enough concentrations. But as in the radial motor example, if they dont smoke like sivs and burn more oil then iraq then there is something wrong.
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Re: losing oil?????

Also - I believe white smoke indicates a leak of coolant.

And I burn oil kinda bad - what Brash was talking about with blow by - I have that kinda bad too, If I take off my intake I can look on the inside of the intake tube and there is oil on the walls. I have no oil LEAKS, as there are no puddles on the floor or anywhere after sitting in one spot, but I always have to put at least 1 quart of oil in between oil changes.

I think that Honda's burning oil is just as common as everyone says. It's no myth or anything, and unless you have the perfect motor, you are going to burn oil, it's the way it works and that's that. It's called Consumption - it happens.

and why sound so mad in your first post? I don't see how it's such a big deal if cars burn oil, it's the way it goes, and that's that. why get so upset about it?
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Also - I believe white smoke indicates a leak of coolant.
Yes, both water and or anti freeze can cause white smoke. Even your cat building up moister in a hot exuahst will cause a belch of white from time to time. The white smoke is steam basicly with other crap from the motor in it.
I would have brought this up but our fella here was only talking about black and blue...
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Yes, both water and or anti freeze can cause white smoke. Even your cat building up moister in a hot exuahst will cause a belch of white from time to time. The white smoke is steam basicly with other crap from the motor in it.
I would have brought this up but our fella here was only talking about black and blue...
and I only brought up white because someone else mentioned it haha

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And black smoke is carbon build up in the exhaust, usually WHITE and sometimes BLUE is oil.
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and I only brought up white because someone else mentioned it haha
angry bangin' granny can also cause white smoke.
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angry bangin' granny can also cause white smoke.
Yea....not gonna lie to ya here bub, but I do not understand what you mean here, lol.
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i had a b16 type r civic and it was quick,so quick integra type r s were beatan,and they have bigger engiens,torqe and what have ya,this was because there was somthing done that i didnt know about before it was imported,so no,their not harder to moddify,if anything,better as japs as you know keep the best toys for themselves.example english built prelude=vti=185bhp jap inport prelude=si=well dont know for certain,but im still beaten integra type r s,defanatly over 200bhp,and thats only an induction kit,no other mods
Are you saying that YOUR the one with the induction kit? Meaning a Turbo kit?

cause if that's the case, there is no way you shouldn't be beating them, the Turbo will give you alot of power and speed over a stock type-r...
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Re: losing oil?????

Don't worry - I know ur not pissed, neither am I

I'm not gonna lie, it's hard for me to read and understand ya, but I think I get what your saying

Jap > American motors - and I agree.

But as for the whole Turbo thing, I am still a little hazy...
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im not racing hondas with turbos at all,that would be stupid,im on about stock type rs vs my prelude which only has an air cone=induction kit
AHHH!!!

I understand now. You and I differ on "Induction Kit" !! For me - Forced Induction = super or turbo charger, hence why when you said induction kit, i immediately thought forced induction.
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and i must have the perfect motor,the reason been its japanese,not american.
ALL Preludes are Japanese. They weren't built anywhere else.

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you see america cant build a proper sports car never could.ye have 1,its the gt40,and the only american thing on this car is the ford badge,the rest is german and british built
Define "proper sports car" because depending on what your definition is, I can name a dozen or more "proper sports cars" that are US built. And that's without trying, I'm sure with a few hours of research I could name at least another dozen if not more.

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yes,the slang=different talk words,is how ye americans are picking me up all wrong,i had a disscusion with si speed yesterday over a rocket cover,this is what we call the top of the engeine where it says dohc vtec.i can understand ye so in future im going to talk in your slang,i guess it will make things easier.im sorry if anyone picks me up as a cranky man,im really not its just fustrating when ye cant understand me,but that should be sorted now
Don't take it so bad man, it's just hard for me because of the organization of the posts. Most slang is something I can understand, I have heard rocket cover before, and I had honestly thought at first you were talking about turbo, but figured you just meant an intake. So it's not the wording, it's the way it's all put together, that's all.

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you see america cant build a proper sports car never could.ye have 1,its the gt40,and the only american thing on this car is the ford badge,the rest is german and british built
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Corvette? It's possibly one of the greatest cars ever built.

It's the only car sold in the US with over 400 hp that DOESN'T come with a Gas Guzzler Tax....able to get up to 26mpg hwy.

So I don't wanna hear any "America can't build a proper sports car"

And learn how to type dude, seriously.


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