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I need some advice please! (Prelude H22A1)

Hello to all, Im new on the forum, my name is Alfredo, Im 23 years old and Im from Peru. My car is a JDM Honda Prelude 1994 DOHC VTEC H22A1, my car is from Japan. Please I need some advice, I want to get more power from my Prelude, rigth now i have installed on my car an Apexi AFC Neo, MSD Coil, Exedy stage 2 clutch, so please tell me what can i buy for my prelude, I don't have too much money and the only place i can buy is from ebay because here in Peru we don't have racing parts, please can someone help me?. I use the car for 1/4 mile races.

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For 1/4 mile races, upgrade your flywheel to a lightened one, dont go less than 12lbs unless you want to!

you can do some free upgrades too...lighten your car as much as you can!!!


oh and isn't h22a1 a North American designated motor? JDM motors dont have a number after the A.
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Knock out the fly wheel lighter fly wheels are made for road racing and will lose power to get you off the line. I'd just put a 50 shot of nos on it
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Thank you both for replying, I forgot to tell you that I already have taken away a little of weight to my flywheel. I don't like NOS because I want a modification that last for ever and NOS is only for a few seconds. My car is japaneese and my engine too, In this moment I don't remember the exactly engine number both I know that is H22A 1 and then more numbers.

I was thinkinkg on passing more volts to the fuel pump, I know that the fuel pump receives 11.5 volts or so, so Im thinking on give the fuel pump 13 or 14 volts, but I don't know if doing that my fuel pump will burn or something like that, do you know something about that?.

What else can you advice me? If i buy a header it will help me? or maybe an exhaust? or what else and what brand?, in ebay i saw some spoon chips, that chips works?, maybe someone has information about the apexi neo because i have it installed but not programmed.

Here are two videos of me racing in a 1/4 mile race here in my town, my car is the black prelude number 2:






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Well h22's love nos and it runs as long as you want it to

any kind of bolt ons will help you out
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I think you should get it tuned... helped my bolt-on setup a lot...

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Are these the mods on your prelude:

JDM H22A*
M2B4 Limited Slip Differential*
Koyo 2 Row Aluminum Radiator* w/ trimmed stock fans
Stage 1 Competition Clutch*
Custom 3” Short Ram Intake* w/ Kool Blue Cone Filter*
NGK Spark Plugs*
HP Racing Ceramic 4-2-1 Header*
Custom 2.5" Header Back Exhaust*
Magnaflow High-Flow Cat.
16”L 4”W Resonator*
Nopi Titanium Muffler*
Dyno eCtuned P06/P28*

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It looks very nice, obiusly I canīt do all of that mods at the same time, do you recommend me any one? Of that mods wich one is the more important?

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^ yeah, those are my mods..

Honestly they could have gotten at least 15whp and some good torque with the eCtune even with a mostly stock motor. here's a link to my tune (in case you didn't go there from my ride's page):
eCtune @ Blueridge Motorsports

You have to get a p28 or p05/06 ECU chipped to tune, and I paid another 400 for a complete dyno tune... it was linked from my rides page... did you look at the dyno chart yet to see what they did for me? This was the most important part of getting power from my bolt-ons... only downside is with the cost, you want to have all your engine mods first so you don't need to retune.

If you want more power than me you should get a euro-r or skunk2 intake manifold, with fuel rail, larger fuel filter, bigger injectors, and a better fuel pump...

if you want to get expensive do the cams, but if you do, make it worth it and do some other head work... valvetrain, etc... or you could opt for boost, but I don't get the impression you want to.

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you don't really need the koyo radiator... does cost about $350-80... my header is not a huge advance over stock and not super important... a really good header will run at about a grand...

The rest if my engine setup is pretty basic, just tried to make it sound good...

I just read your first post again... looks like you already have some engine management with that apexi... ever put it on a dyno (about 70 bucks) so see what it can give you?

Looks like you are on track if you keep picking up stuff as you can afford to.

I might start with a custom exhaust.. 2.5" crush bent (so much cheaper to have it done instead of by a brand name setup)
header if you wish ($300)
high flow cat converter ($80ish)
resonator (16-18" bigger = quieter... make sure it will fit...$65)
nice sport muffler (I love mine, but a magnaflow would do well... I used to have a flowmaster 40 on my h23....$70?-200 your choice)

great site for cheap deals on magnaflow resonators, mufflers, and cats... www.hottexhaust.com

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Thank you a lot, Your answers help me a lot, I had too much doubts, unfortunately in my town my don't have dyno :(

What you mean whit a custom exhaust?, i need to buy one? or make one?, what happens if i put a 3" exhaust?.

what is a high flow cat converter?

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don't go bigger than 2.5" or you will lose your bottom end torque (without a turbo)... any muffler/performance shop will bend the pipe for you, just make sure they are good. That's what I mean by custom... buy the pieces separate and have them put on instead of buying a premade factory "cat-back exhaust' (they are fine, just really expensive).

here's a good universal cat (metal substrate instead of ceramic = higher flow (cfm)):
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=59926

then a resonator:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=10416 (you can go longer if you measure and have room)

and a muffler...
http://www.hottexhaust.com/AluminizedOval.htm (they aren't aluminized anymore, so it shouldn't rust fast)
or:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/MagnaFlow...less_Steel.htm

get what you like, but stick with 2.5" pipe... this is a lot cheaper than:
http://www.gripmotorsports.com/pi~pn...aust-1168.html
(that is about the cheapest cat back system I've seen... they can be twice that easily... and keep in mind the price doesn't include the cat. converter).

hope this helps, if so you can give me some rep. points! :)
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p.s. a high flow cat(alytic) converter has more flow potential than a stock converter (let's more air through faster) and makes the exhaust gas scavenging more efficient (less backpressure).

God Luck!

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Thank you, you really help me a lot, I was thinking on buying a exhaust system from ebay, because its easy to me buying from ebay because of I pay by paypal, I was thinking on buying this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=180267981248

do you think is ok? or should I buy an expensive one?

If I buy the exhaust system, it will give me more HP?

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^ that might not be bad, but it may rust more quickly than magnaflow products.. the resonator could stand to be bigger... plus you are not getting a catalytic converter
it costs $235 shipped.

you can find the universal parts on ebay too. Search for the part numbers of the parts you like at hottexhaust and I bet you can find them on ebay.. or search "magnaflow universal"

again for the part #s:
here's a good universal cat (metal substrate instead of ceramic = higher flow (cfm)):
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=59926

then a resonator:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=10416 (you can go longer if you measure and have room)

and a muffler...
http://www.hottexhaust.com/AluminizedOval.htm (they aren't aluminized anymore, so it shouldn't rust fast)
or:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/MagnaFlow...less_Steel.htm

cost...
$150 for pipe/labor
$80 cat
$60 resonator
$70 muffler

so that is $360-400ish or the entire exhaust system... it costs about $150 more, but you have a brand name, with a new catalytic converter (and that makes a big difference), and you won't have the small diameter stock piping from the header back to the cat anymore (also makes a big difference... that stock pipe and stock catalytic converter are not your friend...)

you could get the system you are looking at plus a new cat converter and a smaller bit of custom piping from the header to the cat back exhaust.

gotta go grab some dinner, hope this helps.
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Thank you a lot, Your answers help me a lot, I had too much doubts, unfortunately in my town my don't have dyno :(

What you mean whit a custom exhaust?, i need to buy one? or make one?, what happens if i put a 3" exhaust?.

what is a high flow cat converter?

Thank you a lot!

Your exhaust!!!!
your racing form 0-100 not 100-150. Go smaller, the stock exhaust size with a crotch rocket exhaust will increse back presure in the motor. This leading to a better preformance in the lower speeds.
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Thank you I will search in ebay the brands that you are giving to me, I hope these mods will help me to beat a levin supercharger.

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It will give you a little anyway... you really have to tune to get the most benefit from the bolt-ons and other mods.

What have you run on the 1/4 mile in the past?
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I just noticed that you asked about ebay chips... I would stay away from those. There is a legit JUN map for the 4th gen, but I don't know if the ones for sale are the real thing... Anyone know if Spoon made a program? I can't remember.... Mugen did not, and M*gen is not a good thing :) .

I bet if you start a thread on the Apexi Neo, someone with it could help.

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Thank you, you really help me a lot, I was thinking on buying a exhaust system from ebay, because its easy to me buying from ebay because of I pay by paypal, I was thinking on buying this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=180267981248

do you think is ok? or should I buy an expensive one?

If I buy the exhaust system, it will give me more HP?

Thank you!
Edit: Just noticed that exhaust says "non-vtec"... I don't know if the f22 exhaust was different or not.. Anyone know if it would fit?

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don't go bigger than 2.5" or you will lose your bottom end torque (without a turbo)... any muffler/performance shop will bend the pipe for you, just make sure they are good. That's what I mean by custom... buy the pieces separate and have them put on instead of buying a premade factory "cat-back exhaust' (they are fine, just really expensive).

here's a good universal cat (metal substrate instead of ceramic = higher flow (cfm)):
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=59926

then a resonator:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=10416 (you can go longer if you measure and have room)



and a muffler...
http://www.hottexhaust.com/AluminizedOval.htm (they aren't aluminized anymore, so it shouldn't rust fast)
or:
http://www.hottexhaust.com/MagnaFlow...less_Steel.htm

get what you like, but stick with 2.5" pipe... this is a lot cheaper than:
http://www.gripmotorsports.com/pi~pn~apexi_ws2_exhaust-1168.html
(that is about the cheapest cat back system I've seen... they can be twice that easily... and keep in mind the price doesn't include the cat. converter).

hope this helps, if so you can give me some rep. points! :)
your wrong about the 2.5 inch h22s love 3inch piping.....
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Oh yeah, my bad then. I really thought you would start to suffer on the low end above 2.5"... I trust my motorsports shop a lot and they advised that I use 2.5" pipe. Do a lot of people on here have 3" NA setups?
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I have 2.5" and I love it, but I would rock a 3" pipe in a heartbeat, and plan on doing so in the future!!
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will you gain much going from 2.5" to 3"? I do most my driving under 100, haha.
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Do you think someone can help me with the apexi? I will start a thread for the apexi.

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What have you run on the 1/4 mile in the past?
Do you mean what other cars I runned against?

I have run against other prelude VTEC..... I won
I have run agaisnt an Integra VTEC........ I won
I have run against a Trueno 20v ........... I won
I have run against a Celica Beams... I won
I have run against a Levin Supercharger... I lose
I have run against a Audi S3 Turbo... I lose


About get tuned? you mean a dyno? unfortunately here aren't any dyno's
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^I meant with help you could improve a bit with the apexi neo since you don't have access to a dyno... you might be able to find a tuned ecu (from a similar setup) on ebay, but it is not necessarily a good idea to run someone else's maps.

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Ok thank you, whit your help I will improve my times.
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