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300+ WHP DD?

Not even sure if it would be possible, but I'm putting this out here to see if any of you masterminds this it's plausible. Now don't get me wrong, I love my 5th gen, but I feel that it has so much more potential so here goes I'm doing a lot of looking into trying to make it into a 300+ WHP DD, some things I'm looking at include the T2T4 tranny and a HKS turbo, one with a .72 or .83 A/R so it won't have a real impact till I hit 4.5k+ RPM and it really starts to spool, the T2T4 tranny mainly so in 5th at 65-70 highway driving I can keep a good chunk of strain down and maybe keep it a daily driver, it's just a flight of fancy right now as I know a 300+ WHP H22 isn't unheard of once you turbo it, but as a DD I don't know of how popular they are.

So basically anything you fellows can think of that I might be missing, or maybe just pop my bubble and tell me that it's not feasible and you need to do one or the other (power or DD)

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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

As far as a turbo set up goes ur missing a lot of stuff ur gonna need. But as to gettin a 300whp DD with boost ya its possible. Just know one thing. Turbo = maintenance. Period. But if u haven't already do some research. Theres a lot ur gonna have to get into. But in short to answer ur question, yes.
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300 is nothing for a h22, just dont drive it like you stole it everyday and it'll last
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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

that's what I figured, (oh trust me I'm only starting this I'm currently reading the so you think thread lol) anyways I currently have a 01 SH, and since I know I'll half to drop to a obd1 ecm I figured what better time to swap to a different tranny and still keep some for of LSD, as far as maintenance I'm all for it, I love my cars (I keep up on 6 different vehicles right now) unfortunately none of them have forced induction so I know very little about them other than the basics and what I've read on this forum pertaining to the H22 turbo upgrade.

anyways the current plan is to buy a whole new motor (my lude is my DD so I'll want to build up a second motor and have it and the tranny ready so i can do a full swap and do it all at once) my only question is if I should get the H22A TYPE S engine i found one that comes complete with the type s intake and everything or if I should just find any H22 VTEC since I plan on rebuilding it anyways with forged pistons and rods and the like and having head work done up anyways to prepare for a turbo, also would you go ahead and have it sleeved? right now it's not about money more about whats worked out better and whats had the best reliability as a DD. not that money isn't a concern but I can justify more money when it keeps me from spending it sooner down the road replacing or rebuilding things sooner when It could have been avoided.
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300 is nothing for a h22, just dont drive it like you stole it everyday and it'll last
I beg to differ, not very many people have 300whp h22's.

Here is some of what you will need along with the stuff you mentioned:

OBD I conversion
Tune
To be a safe DD - Forged Pistons and Rods
That means Resleave the block
You wont HAVE to build the head but I would highly recommend it
so valves
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cam
New clutch (its gonna have to be a pretty heavy clutch for 300whp so make sure you have a strong left leg lol)
Don't forget the intercooler

There is a lot more stuff too, this is going to be like a $10,000 job at least... Just for your information.
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that's what I figured, (oh trust me I'm only starting this I'm currently reading the so you think thread lol) anyways I currently have a 01 SH, and since I know I'll half to drop to a obd1 ecm I figured what better time to swap to a different tranny and still keep some for of LSD, as far as maintenance I'm all for it, I love my cars (I keep up on 6 different vehicles right now) unfortunately none of them have forced induction so I know very little about them other than the basics and what I've read on this forum pertaining to the H22 turbo upgrade.

anyways the current plan is to buy a whole new motor (my lude is my DD so I'll want to build up a second motor and have it and the tranny ready so i can do a full swap and do it all at once) my only question is if I should get the H22A TYPE S engine i found one that comes complete with the type s intake and everything or if I should just find any H22 VTEC since I plan on rebuilding it anyways with forged pistons and rods and the like and having head work done up anyways to prepare for a turbo, also would you go ahead and have it sleeved? right now it's not about money more about whats worked out better and whats had the best reliability as a DD. not that money isn't a concern but I can justify more money when it keeps me from spending it sooner down the road replacing or rebuilding things sooner when It could have been avoided.
Dont do type s motor... type s CR 11:1 you will probably want a 9:1 CR so why would you get a motor with a higher CR when you are going to lower the CR anyways?
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I beg to differ, not very many people have 300whp h22's.

Here is some of what you will need along with the stuff you mentioned:

OBD I conversion
Tune
To be a safe DD - Forged Pistons and Rods
That means Resleave the block
You wont HAVE to build the head but I would highly recommend it
so valves
valve springs
titanium retainers
cam
New clutch (its gonna have to be a pretty heavy clutch for 300whp so make sure you have a strong left leg lol)
Don't forget the intercooler

There is a lot more stuff too, this is going to be like a $10,000 job at least... Just for your information.
yeah lots of money, like I said this is just all me seeing if it's possible and practical at the same time, and it's not like i plan on going out tomorrow and picking up everything I need to do this and be done with it next month i see this being a 2 year project even before I do the full swap and then start the oh **** this isn't going to fit/need to custom make that phase. befor it even gets tuned, but now I have a good understanding of what all it's going to take, not from this post but from doing some searching on other posts and seeing other setups

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Dont do type s motor... type s CR 11:1 you will probably want a 9:1 CR so why would you get a motor with a higher CR when you are going to lower the CR anyways?
ahh good point lol, don't know why I didn't see that already, I think I was more excited about the type S intake lol


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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

I would get an upgraded intake manifold anyway if you are gonna boost so the Type s intake manifold wont really matter, Its not much different than the USDM anyways. If you have the money then the job will only take a couple of months, but if you don't have the money then its going to take years like you said lol...

Why do you want this 300whp DD anyways?

You have an SH so you would have to get rid of ATTS. What I would do if you want a really sweet car is to do a NA build and get it to like 220-250 whp and keep the ATTS then if you want to do Auto X you will do a lot better, plus its a little easier to maintain and will cost less :P
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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

For 300whp I honestly wouldnt build the head. I would probably get it ported and polished but cams and all that other stuff isnt necessary to be honest. But for a dd I would personally get it sleeved. And if your getting it sleeved then theres no reason to stop at 300whp. You would easily be able to pull alot more outta that motor.

Also idk why your looking at a type s intake because its just gonna be replaced with intercooler piping. Lol.
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For 300whp I honestly wouldnt build the head. I would probably get it ported and polished but cams and all that other stuff isnt necessary to be honest. But for a dd I would personally get it sleeved. And if your getting it sleeved then theres no reason to stop at 300whp. You would easily be able to pull alot more outta that motor.

Also idk why your looking at a type s intake because its just gonna be replaced with intercooler piping. Lol.
Haha I thought he was talking about the Intake Mani, I would build the head for 300whp though, especially if you want it to be a reliable DD, maybe not cams but at least vavles and valve springs, its only an extra $500.

My Type S pistons just got here like 5 seconds ago, I am sooo happy! lol
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I would get an upgraded intake manifold anyway if you are gonna boost so the Type s intake manifold wont really matter, Its not much different than the USDM anyways. If you have the money then the job will only take a couple of months, but if you don't have the money then its going to take years like you said lol...

Why do you want this 300whp DD anyways?

You have an SH so you would have to get rid of ATTS. What I would do if you want a really sweet car is to do a NA build and get it to like 220-250 whp and keep the ATTS then if you want to do Auto X you will do a lot better, plus its a little easier to maintain and will cost less :P
the 300whp mostly came from the idea for going for 150% of my current power plant, no real reason for the specific 300 just seamed like a safe number to keep it a DD, and yes a N/A build is looking like something more within my skill and budget lol and in that case that type S engine is looking more tempting again lol
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the 300whp mostly came from the idea for going for 150% of my current power plant, no real reason for the specific 300 just seamed like a safe number to keep it a DD, and yes a N/A build is looking like something more within my skill and budget lol and in that case that type S engine is looking more tempting again lol
Type S motors are basically a type SH motor with 11:1 CR pistons, a Type S motor is about $3,000 type S pistons are about $250 lol if you go NA just build you car, I am getting a ton of new OEM stuff plus type s pistons, skunk2 high compression valves, titanium retainers, skunk 2 valve springs, exedy stage 1 clutch, and a 8lb fidanza flywheel plus new timing belt for about $3,000 if you want to add a cam and adjustable cam timing gears for $1,000 more. thats only $1,000 more than a type S motor
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300hp is right around 9 to 10 psi (ofcourse depending in turbo), stock block and stock head could handle it, tune it and call it a day.
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Type S motors are basically a type SH motor with 11:1 CR pistons, a Type S motor is about $3,000 type S pistons are about $250 lol if you go NA just build you car, I am getting a ton of new OEM stuff plus type s pistons, skunk2 high compression valves, titanium retainers, skunk 2 valve springs, exedy stage 1 clutch, and a 8lb fidanza flywheel plus new timing belt for about $3,000 if you want to add a cam and adjustable cam timing gears for $1,000 more. thats only $1,000 more than a type S motor
now that's some good info!

Thanks everyone for your input, I think I've gotten a real good feel for what I want to do now and that's go N/A. I do still plan on picking up a second engine though, as my lude is my DD I'll need a second engine to put all of this work into, so now I will start the quest to find another SH motor to build up!

not sure what to do with this thread now lol, guess keep it open to see if anyone wants to try and change my mind back to making it into the 300+ whp DD beast lol
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now that's some good info!

Thanks everyone for your input, I think I've gotten a real good feel for what I want to do now and that's go N/A. I do still plan on picking up a second engine though, as my lude is my DD I'll need a second engine to put all of this work into, so now I will start the quest to find another SH motor to build up!

not sure what to do with this thread now lol, guess keep it open to see if anyone wants to try and change my mind back to making it into the 300+ whp DD beast lol
FYI a new motor is like $1,500 to $2,000 so it would be a lot better to just buy a cheap car for like $1,000 and use that as your DD while you build your lude, then you have 0 downtime instead of a couple weeks of downtime.

Just throwing that out there. Then you sell the car after you have your lude back :P
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yes, and I can do the same thing with my engine once the swap is done, I don't mind taking a week off to do the physical swap, in fact i have some vacation time so that's not an issue. Stop tempting me to get the civic hatch I want lol! (Joke) I come from a family of muscle car builders, having 2-3 engines in the garage is well normal lol in fact I'm the odd man in my family as I love imports! but like I said money isn't a huge issue I actually find comfort in having a second engine on a stand that can be used if necessary.
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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

if your rebuilding it anyway, there's no need to get X motor over Y motor. you can build it to your exact preference and specs, whether that's a high CR, low CR, or whatever.
you def SHOULDN'T buy a $1200-2000 healthy motor if your tearing it down and building it anyway. find the cheapest H22 you can find with low compression/bad piston rings and get that one. sleeve it, rods, pistons, bearings, etc....

and there is NO problem what-so-ever with boosting a high CR motor, you'll love the off-boost power. as long as your tuner knows what he's doing, your motor will be fine.


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and there is NO problem what-so-ever with boosting a high CR motor
Tell that to Blake. That's one intelligent mofo and I remember reading a thread back in the day when he tried 12:1 + jrsc and it didn't last long at all. Although I'm sure others have done it successfully, his failure makes me less apt to try.

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Word. With what he saves in initial purchase he could do some great head work.


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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

Wow ...you guys did so well explaining ....I don't have to say anything. Good job fellas.
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Re: 300+ WHP DD?

U need to figure out what u want. If ur gonna be happy with only 300hp period all day long then just get ur turbo components and a fresh hone on the FRM sleeves (which are stronger then iron) and EMS and call it a day. u can get 300 hp easy on h22. But if ur like most ppl who will eventually wanna turn up the boost then save up build it right the 1st time (full build, head work, cams, pistons etc) and then u can boost it to the moon n not have to worry about blowin it up. In the end its all about what YOU want thatll determine how u should build ur car.
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Tell that to Blake. That's one intelligent mofo and I remember reading a thread back in the day when he tried 12:1 + jrsc and it didn't last long at all. Although I'm sure others have done it successfully, his failure makes me less apt to try.

really? i didn't hear anything about that. then again, i've been slowly veering away from the lude game for like 6-8months now.
got any links to that? i thought he was concentrating on the 300whp N/A build.
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dont boosted motors only last about 15k miles?

that wouldnt be good for a DD...

but it would be fun while it lasted
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Word. With what he saves in initial purchase he could do some great head work.



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he did say that "back in the day", but he also used to heavily push brian crower parts. ask him how he feels about both now

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really? i didn't hear anything about that. then again, i've been slowly veering away from the lude game for like 6-8months now.
got any links to that? i thought he was concentrating on the 300whp N/A build.
he is still building that N/A beast nick, it will put mine to shame.
I'll be making some changes to my current setup though
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dont boosted motors only last about 15k miles?

that wouldnt be good for a DD...

but it would be fun while it lasted
Tell that to the STi's that have 100k miles on them. A boosted motor can last just as long as a NA motor as long as you are not pushing it too hard, you gotta keep the amount of boost at less than the motor can really take and take good care of it. If you sleeve the block, get forged pistons, rods, build the head and everything you could easily have a 300whp lude that will last 100k miles on a good tune if it is well taken car of, if you do all that and push the motor to 500whp then you might only have one for 15k miles lol

Gotta take care of it though, change oil every 3k miles, let it properly warm up and cool down (very important) and don't beat on it too badly :P
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