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Old 07-10-2010, 12:03 PM
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f22?!

I've heard many things about the f22 being great for boost and what not. What makes it so wonderful for boost? I heard a rumor that the f22 block and the h22 head was a great combination but haven't seen it down on paper just people telling people that tell me so not really a reliable source. I've heard a lot of good things about the f22 tranny too? Of course I have also heard the h23 tranny had longer gears which on an h22 would be more compatible for boost. Just wondering if anyone had any input? If this was the wrong section please move it but I figured this would be the section to post it in.
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Re: f22?!

some people think that X motors are "better" for boost than Y motors because they have lower compression, which DOES make them safer from detonation/pre-ignition, but if you get the car properly tuned, you shouldn't hafta worry about that (unless you get some bad gas).




you can boost any motor. the reliability of it is gonna be COMPLETELY dependent on if/how you tune it. (and other factors like quality of parts used, and how you install them. but if you have half a brain and buy good parts, you shouldn't hafta worry about these).
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some people think that X motors are "better" for boost than Y motors because they have lower compression, which DOES make them safer from detonation/pre-ignition, but if you get the car properly tuned, you shouldn't hafta worry about that (unless you get some bad gas).




you can boost any motor. the reliability of it is gonna be COMPLETELY dependent on if/how you tune it. (and other factors like quality of parts used, and how you install them. but if you have half a brain and buy good parts, you shouldn't hafta worry about these).
alright yeah because I was gonna do low compression forged pistons and forged rods so I guess the rumor of the f22 being a better block wouldnt matter eh?
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Re: f22?!

im still trying to find a link to a nice f22 build
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alright yeah because I was gonna do low compression forged pistons and forged rods so I guess the rumor of the f22 being a better block wouldnt matter eh?
well the f22 block has iron sleeves so stock it can hold more boost then an h22 or h23.. but if you get a h22 or h23 sleeved then it can be just as effective as an f22.
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Re: f22?!

Plus f22's are a good cheap motor to boost because you can find them all over. H22's on the other hand are expensive.
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well the f22 block has iron sleeves so stock it can hold more boost then an h22 or h23
did you know .. that the FRM sleeves found in H-series motors are STRONGER than Iron liners in F-series motors ? .. True.
So .... why would F-series hold more boost ? .. that sir, is untrue.
People who know a thing or two about these blocks go with the F22 due to the fact that you can run forged pistons in them without sleeving the block, something you will not be able to do without sleeving the block in the H-series motors (with the exception of Mahle gold-series piston).
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did you know .. that the FRM sleeves found in H-series motors are STRONGER than Iron liners in F-series motors ? .. True.
So .... why would F-series hold more boost ? .. that sir, is untrue.
People who know a thing or two about these blocks go with the F22 due to the fact that you can run forged pistons in them without sleeving the block, something you will not be able to do without sleeving the block in the H-series motors (with the exception of Mahle gold-series piston).
i stand corrected.. thank you for correcting me!

can i ask a question.. why cant you run forged pistons on FRM sleeves?
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i stand corrected.. thank you for correcting me!

can i ask a question.. why cant you run forged pistons on FRM sleeves?
The metal expansion rate in each piston will differ according to the material of the piston, a forged piston must be coated with FRM material before it can be successfully run in an FRM cylinder wall, most forged pistons are not coated with this FRM material
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I had the G22 motor. Its was beast. H22A4 head on F22A1 block. Kseries pistons f rods/bearings. Its a crazy frank swap. Its not just this head on that block. There's a LOT that goes into it. Send Naj3000 a PM. He has the full parts list. We're about to build him a g22 in the coming months.
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I had the G22 motor. Its was beast. H22A4 head on F22A1 block. Kseries pistons f rods/bearings. Its a crazy frank swap. Its not just this head on that block. There's a LOT that goes into it. Send Naj3000 a PM. He has the full parts list. We're about to build him a g22 in the coming months.


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The metal expansion rate in each piston will differ according to the material of the piston, a forged piston must be coated with FRM material before it can be successfully run in an FRM cylinder wall, most forged pistons are not coated with this FRM material
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did you know .. that the FRM sleeves found in H-series motors are STRONGER than Iron liners in F-series motors ? .. True.
So .... why would F-series hold more boost ? .. that sir, is untrue.
People who know a thing or two about these blocks go with the F22 due to the fact that you can run forged pistons in them without sleeving the block, something you will not be able to do without sleeving the block in the H-series motors (with the exception of Mahle gold-series piston).



this man hit the nail on the head
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It's been a while since I investigates the f series and h series head combo but I thought there were some complications running that when it came to oil drain back holes and head gaskets? Am I wrong?
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U have to plug 2 oil holes. HG is to the block not the head if I'm not mistaken. Ill have to double check.
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