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hello, i am new to this site. i just bought a 92 lude and am ready to start to build a new engine from the block up. is the h22a the best block? i am wanting to build it right and i am not worried about money. i est. it will cost about 20k. i want it to be able to handle a big turbo and possibly nos. im hoping to keep it street legal and also be able to get it into the 9s in the 1/4. but i have no idea what kinda guts to put in it. i am buying a used block and gonna have it acid dipped and then sleeved not sure where to go from there please help. . . .
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Dont acid dip that block. Its aluminum. Get it pressure washed. Buy a h22a4 block and get AEBS or darton sleeves put in. The closed deck kind. OR, get h22a block and get liners pressed in. Your gonna want a closed deck setup for high horsepower application. Get forged pistons. CP, JE, WISECO, MAHLE, ARIAS. Then get a good set of rods. Maybe pauter or Carrillo something like that. Im not sure how much power your gonna make but eagle might suit you well. Then get ARP head studs and Main studs, cometic head gasket. OEM or high volume oil pump (like TOGA). Now, send your block off to the machine shop to get sleeved, make sure you tell them what piston to wall clearance you want so they can bore the cylinders out to what you want ( make sure to send them the pistons for this). Get you crank micro-polished and ballanced. Get an align hone on your mains. In my opinion use OEM bearings, alot of people use ACL's but make sure your clearances are good, so its up to you.

Not essential (But its what I would do)
Buy a ballancer shaft delete kit.
Convert to manual timing belt tensioner.
Stock head should be good. Unless you want to go further.
That... should be it for engine internals. I know I probably missed something so someone speak up if I did. Good luck with the build
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Re: new h22 build

the H22A4 block is open deck and the H22A block is closed deck.
this has alot of good info in it: So, you wanna go turbo, huh?

also, moved to the FI section.
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thank you for the help, what kinda crank should i get? and cams? you think i can get a 92 lude to run in the 9s and still be street legal? i dont want to gut it and i want it to look nice. i want it to be show condition. i take pride in my cars. and i like to do things the right way not take short cuts.
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Stock crank is plenty strong. And IMO stock head should be fine.
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stock head would only be good as long as you keep the stock clearences? is this right?
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clearences? what do you mean
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unfortunate news flash!! NOS is not street legal!!
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Re: new h22 build

I'm pretty damn jealous. Good luck with the build man! I hope it goes well keep us informed.
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Re: new h22 build

yea,nos would be used on the track only. but other than that i would like it street legal lol. so, the stock crank is good. but if i get the block sleeved i wont have the same clearence right? and what are the best cams to use? i will keep you informed how its going along the way, cant wait. . . thank you for being helpful.
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Re: new h22 build

When you sleeve the block you can get whatever clearence you want (piston to wall), you got to let the machinist know what you want. And if it was me i would use the stock cams. But There are turbo cams out there, I dont know how much of an advantage they would give you. I have no experience on that matter at hand. But I heard that the stock cams work just fine, its hard to get BIG gains out of a different cam setup in boosted applications. You may want to research in on that a bit more. maybe someone else can chime in and help you out on that. Best of luck to ya. Keep us posted!
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Re: new h22 build

really the cams should be a huge decision in your engine build. because if you really gonna build it right, as with an engine build. you should build the engine around the cam(s). sounds dumb i know, because always focus's on the bottom end, like pistons and such. but really you should focus on the cam more so.

because differents do well in completely different setups(odviously). as in i mean some cams are better off(if not require) with high compression, other better for crazy low compression.
basically what i'm gettin at is find a cam(s) with a powerband around where you want it. and you said you want to go with a large turbo. so just me but i'd look at skunk2's turbo cams, Brian Crower Turbo Cams, or even see about having a cam custom ground for your application.

have you thought about what parts your actually wanting to use for your build? like the turbo? amount of boost? do you have an actual hp goal or just the 1/4 time?

you realize also a street legal 9 second car is gonna drink up fuel crazy fast... . like i wouldnt plan on making any long trips in it..
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Re: new h22 build

i dont have any real hp in mind maybe 500? im not sure, and thanks for the help with the cams. i havent really looked at the turbo yet i was going to build the engine itself first as tough and as tight as i can make it then decide on the turbo. i know it would suck down some gas i was thinking about using racing fuel, any thought on that? i want to take pride in it and also make it show worthy. i hope its possible to hit my goal of 9s and have it still look nice, im not into gutting the car and making it a tin can.
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i dont have any real hp in mind maybe 500? im not sure, and thanks for the help with the cams. i havent really looked at the turbo yet i was going to build the engine itself first as tough and as tight as i can make it then decide on the turbo. i know it would suck down some gas i was thinking about using racing fuel, any thought on that? i want to take pride in it and also make it show worthy. i hope its possible to hit my goal of 9s and have it still look nice, im not into gutting the car and making it a tin can.
ya you could run race gas, my recomendation would be an adjustable boost controler in there(mind you i'm a n/a guy) but that way you could bump the boost up for race day and then back down for street driving.
cuz yes with enough compression or boost you'll need to run race gas, or e85, etc...

still though, even with building the bottom end, have you thought about what compression ratio your gonna run?
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Re: new h22 build

it will be street leagel most likely but prob not a good idea
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well im looking at a xs engineering turbo which is 22psi boost. why would id not be a good idea for it to be street legal?
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22PSI?! holy frakin shiit! lol
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well im looking at a xs engineering turbo which is 22psi boost. why would id not be a good idea for it to be street legal?
ya it would be street legal.. amount of boost doesnt have anything to do with it being street legal or not.
...you know the turbo doesnt have a set boost it makes. like it may say it can run up to 22psi, but by all means you can run like 7psi on that same turbo for daily driving. it has to do with the wastegate.

oh ya not to crush your dreams or anything, but i doubt you;ll be in the 9's or even close to it with a full interior/street legal car. to get the lude goin that fast you'd have to run slicks, and drop alot of weight from the car.
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i plan on changing to slicks at the strip, and im goin to take out the back seat but want to keep a passenger seat. thinking bout goin carbon fiber hood fenders and trunk and going to look into lightening up the doors if possible. where else can i take some weight from? i think thats about it right? yea, i know that 9s are stretching it i guess i would be happy with 10s but gonna try and push for 9s.
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a whole weight reduction would include removing things like a/c, power steering, cruise control, airbags, removing factory steel and replacing it all with light weight steel, any stereo sound system, removing heavy factory welds and re-welding the light weight steel, getting light weight drive shafts and flywheels and oh my God the list goes on and on buddy. so it goes waaaaay past carbon fiber hood fenders and trunk. and with all those things out of your car, driving it on the street as a daily driver will be a pain in A.S.S. basically ot comes down to for every 100lbs u take out it will save u bout .1 seconds in the 1/4. not to burst yr bubble, but u asked!
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geez thats it 100lbs/ .1 in the 1/4? well thats not much huh? thanks for the info.
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no prob dude. hey post some pics up of yr lude and every time u add somethin new to yr car! n about the whole 100lbs to .1 sec there was a post on that earlier. its not exactly a fact but its pretty close. trust me in order to see any difference from weight reduction u gotta go ALL out like those cars u see in "import tuner" magazine
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