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Old 02-05-2010, 02:33 AM
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Icon10 F/I JDM H22A BUILD

Okay, so to let you know, the title says it all. I'm 17 so the build will be done, thus done right. I'm not rich and I will have to work for what i want. Anyways, I'm the proud owner of a 1995 Prelude SE. For Christmas, I received a JDM H22A. It had been torn apart half way. It was my dad's when he bought my car last july. They guy sold it to us with a LSD tranny for $200. The guy said it smoke so he was gonna take it apart. He though he was gonna screaw us over .. Anyways, we took it apart about 3 weeks ago and discovered that it all needed to be machined. (I was going to do it anyways.) The guy was building it for F/I and didn't do it properly so it scared the cylinders with the f*ckin chromoly piston rings. Anyways, I found a Eagle forged crank, forged Eagle I-beam Rods, and Eagle forged pistons. (Merry Christmas )

So I;m starting a build that everyone on pz is welcome to fallow and voice their opinions on. Pics will be put up every time something is done. I will update whenever I buy something, start to build, or ask opinions.

2/4/10 Machine Work:

Block:
- Zero Deck Height
- Honed with 400 grit silicon diamond carbide stone
- Line Bored









Head:
- Skunk2 Racing valves with titanium retainers and locks

- Skunk2 Racing Springs

-7 angle valve job with under cut seams






Oil Squirters for pistons:



Main Journals Crank Shaft:





Main Journals Stabilizer Griddle:




Rods and Pistons:

- Forged Eagle I-Beam Rods

- Forged Eagle Dished Pistons

- Eagle ARP 3500 Series Rod Bolts







Whe we took it apart we found out it had spun a bearing and caused it to knock (discoloration) but we had it resized and balanced.

So far, that where I am. My crank is still off getting turned and polished.
Next I want to port and polish my head and find a good bearing kit, balance shaft eliminater kit, and a hi-flow water pump.

You comments a suggestions are welcome. Remember, I'm only 17 so feel free to give any advice and let me know how this build goes. (This build consist of ENTIRE car)
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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

Hey man just wanted to let you know cuz i didnt see it mentioned before but, the H22 doesnt have iron sleeves like normal engines. we have FRM sleeving (fiber reinforced metal). wich means you can not run forged internals, it will not last at all. you need to get your block sleeved to run the pistons you have. and i also see that you had the block honed. it is a completely different process to hone FRM. if the shop didnt know what they were doing, wich is highly likely becouse there are a VERY limited amount of shops who do, they probably screwed up your cylinder walls. wich now means you cant even use stock pistons now. if this is the case, you have three options 1) sleeve the block with aftermarket iron sleeves. 2) find a shop who DOES know how to properly hone FRM, again very rare. or 3) buy a new block all together. if you have any questions let me know.
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Well like i said im 17 and funds are limited. The shop knew what they were doing ... trust me i had the specs from a Honda forum that was shown to me by Chuck Earnst, Vice President of Honda (I know his daughter). As far as the sleeving, I've done hours upon hours of research. I have heard rumored if you run Cast iron rings, then everything will seep just fine. im going to try this and prob. tear it apart 10K miles later and check everything out. But There is a guy I went to school with that had a JDM H22A in a 1995 Civic DX and he did the same thing with the iron rings, took it apart around 15K miles to find out everything is fine. He has put it back together and put another 8K miles on it by now. Idk though .. When I moved I lost contact with him. I'm not trying to sound like a A** but I was just letting you know I have done my research. I'd also like to thank you for you input. What do you think about cast iron rings?
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94 lude is right. Its not all about the rings. Forge pistons expand too much when they get hot (ie. when the engine is up to operating temp). A forth option that you can do is run mahle gold series pistons. These are the ONLY forge pistons able to run at a comparable expansion rate relative to the FRM cylinder wall, and they have a special skirt coating that protects them as well. Some people don't like these pistons but personally I have seen a few H22's run these with no problem. Mahle is top notch piston manufacturer. Your piston problem necessarily lie in the ring choice. Hope this helps you! You may need to get that honing job checked out. I recently did a paper on honing FRM liners. I can email it to you if you like. Its too big to put on here as a .doc

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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

You dont need a eagle crank for you h22... The stock one can hold well over 700hp....

Im guessing your planing on turbo charging it since you want to do all this stuff to your engine? If your not ummmm just get stock bottom end... Its not worth spending the money if you are stay N/A.

If you do that whole ring thing with the forge pistons you wont have to worry about checking your engine in 10k. It wont even be running that long...
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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

run those pistons/rings in the stock cylinder walls and you will be posting a thread regarding lost power and oil smoke out the exhaust.

I am running Darton replacement iron liners in my h23vtec and they hold up fine and are relatively cheap. I believe they are $400 or so. If you arent looking for major power with this setup, i would look into it. People have been building these motors for a long time. If it was as simple as running cast rings, it would already be known about and practiced.
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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

Go ahead and send i to my e mail BillH22A treytragedy21@yahoo.com
And as far as cylinder sleeving goes, where do you recremend me to go ?? I had a guy that runs a Honda preformance shop do the homing so thats all good. And I have a bullet proof bottom end for a reason.
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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

ummmmm The stock crank is fine getting a eagle crank for your h22a is just retarted...

Well i guess ur saying your going to hit 1000hp right? If your hitting anywhere around 800hp u can use the stock one! Get the stock one shaved and polished and you lose about 8lbs on it and it still can hold that 800hp.
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I didn't buy the piston, crank or rods. They all came with the engine when I got it with my car. The dude, who didn't know what he was doing said it was smoking. we came to the conclusion that he was trying to f*ck us over and rip us off. I got a;; that free. i just had them balanced. So, it wouldn't make sence NOT to use them ... am I right? The best **** is the free ****, especially when it's the best.
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OHHHH my bad bro i didnt see that you got them for free haha

Then thats tits not going to lie.
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Re: F/I JDM H22A BUILD

"Then thats tits not going to lie"

huh?

and it's iight.

im just trying to do this build right so I can get it in mine cuz my H23 is about to die within the next few months. :(
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to get your block sleeved it shouldnt be any more than 400-500 if you buy the sleeves. or you could ship it out to one of a few very reputable company (IE: golden eagle or benson) and they will do everything from anywhere between 800-1100 but that includes the sleeves.

also i noticed you said you have a golden eagle crank? IIRC the only cranks available for the h22 is the brian crower crank. and if the guy threw all that in for only 200 bucks you got a steal. you cant buy that crank anywhere cheaper than 1600!!
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Go ahead and send i to my e mail BillH22A treytragedy21@yahoo.com
And as far as cylinder sleeving goes, where do you recremend me to go ?? I had a guy that runs a Honda preformance shop do the homing so thats all good. And I have a bullet proof bottom end for a reason.
getting resleeved will void the honing you had done.
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i will check into some sleeve work and see how that goes. And 94_lude_vtec, I just figured it was an Eagle .. there was no branding marks but i know for a fact from the shop that it is forged. Just no one could find a brand or label on it and everything else was eagle, so we just figured that is what it was ..
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well all honda cranks are forged so its very possible that its just an oem crank....
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looks like you've got the right parts goin, but ya as everyone else has said you need to get that block sleeved if you are going to run those pistons.
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If there only pressing in Iron liners in your block. Most GOOD engine machine shops can do this easily. Just buy the liners and get a shop to put them in. Make sure there a good reputable shop. If you don't want to sleeve. Sell the pistons you have and get Mahle. Hope the paper helped. I would put it on the site... but don't know how lol
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Trey, definitely get that block sleeved. Darton sleeves will work perfect for your set up. DO NOT trust just any shop to do the work for you....people will say what they can't do just to get the job and your money......Good luck man on your way to more power!
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