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Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

still new to honda motors and what not...but i am looking to boost but not sure which engine to go with...as of right now i have the f22a motor..i have heard you can boost them just not sure what kind of hp you can get...im lookin for about 350 or more if i can get it...not sure if i should do my engine, h22 or what...need somthing that is reliable but can handle the power that i want...just looking on where and how to start...if i could get all of your opinons that would be great...
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

all it takes is money man...u can boost a stock F22a but u aint getting 350hp...LOL.....u can boost a H22 and easily make 350hp if u rebuild it and sleeve it and forged pistons and whatnot but it wont be cheap....

if u want 350hp or more IMO id rebuild ur F22 and boost that...... u already have it and those motors make good power with a turbo..check out Bisimoto Engineering hes all about F series builds
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

yeah i looked at some of his work jus a minute ago..lol on import tuner...but you think it would be easier to build the f22..i know what work good with a turbo being a sohc...dosnt take as long to spool..its quick power...but you said i cant get 350 out of it and then you said i could??
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

u can make 350hp if u build up the f22 but...if u just slap a turbo on to try and make 350hp it wont happen or should i say if u do the motor would be a ticking time bomb...... .

think about it, a stock F22 only had 130hp...u cant throw another 220hp more it on stock parts and expect it to hold together...

and a H22a makes around 200hp all motor but they are high compression motors, not made for boost they will blow up..... so you have to sleeve the block if u want to boost it, and lower compression to make it hold together then the sky is the limit....u could make a 400hp H22 if u build it right
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

try researching the f20b type r motor. its almost the same exact thing as an h22a4. jst basically destroked. with and h22 yr red line is about 7.3k when with the f20b typre u can rev to an easy nine. think how good is that with a turbo.......... :)
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

your best bet is just boosting your engine. you wont have to re-sleeve it, whichll save like a grand right there you can use for other parts to make more power
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try researching the f20b type r motor. its almost the same exact thing as an h22a4. jst basically destroked. with and h22 yr red line is about 7.3k when with the f20b typre u can rev to an easy nine. think how good is that with a turbo.......... :)
X2 about using the f22b if you get one. but otherwsie the engine you have now is a good choice as well. For one you dont need to sleeve it, to use forged pistons. save some money right there.
and if you can find a h22 head for cheap, then i'd use that as well. (bolts right on, just search for the "G" series frankeinstien or something like that)
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

Not sure the Frankenstein is quite that simple. F22 has 85mm cylinders, the H22 is 87. F20B (from an SiR/SiR-T, Euro-R and Type R had H22's) head is basically a H22 head, but 85mm. Combustion chamber is about the same volume though so fitting either will drop the compression.
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

hmmm i didnt know that. so then would you have to bore it over 2mm?
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

I'm not sure if this is your DD or not so time may/may not be a factor but IMO, get forged pistons, rods, bolts for your F22 engine you've got now (look for 9:1 compression pistons) and see what you can get with a turbo setup just on a built bottom end. If you want more then build the head or do a head swap.
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

So I could just up grade my bottom end with pistons and all and it run fine.....now with the h22 head swap....just switch them and that's it...I will port and polish it but if it just bolts on that would be good....and also some of y'all mentioned havin to bore from 85 to 87 mm... When and why I do that...couldn't I just get the right size pistons...real new to this so sorry if I ask alot of questions...tryin to learn
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

No idea what impact running a 87mm head with a 85mm block would have. Leaking I guess? Probably not the best way to get a reliable engine.

Also keep in mind when ordering pistons that due to the larger combustion chamber volume, swapping heads will drop compression. So if you use 9:1 pistons it will be I guess around 8.4:1. F20B you can drop the compression for boost simply by running F22 pistons. 11:1 F22 pistons and a thicker head gasket I would think would put it at around 9:1. Numerous factors though, like what crank you go with, rods, etc.

To run 87mm pistons I would imagine that you would have to resleeve since the stock iron sleeves probably won't handle that much (assuming that like the F20B OEM pistons are available 0.5mm OS meaning that 0.5mm is about the max you can bore). In that case you may as well just sleeve a H22.
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

so with the engine i have now i can put forged pistons, rods, bolts etc. on it and no problem...just put them in..so what head could i use that has 85mm to bolt right up to mine...no compression drop or volume to get more power...or what could i do to my head to get the power im looking for...im sure you have answered this but its not clicking for me...sorry it hasnt...lol...
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

ya use you can use forged pistons etc it now without problems. thats what nice about that motor is it came stock with iron sleeves in it. ya really you could easily use the head you have now. just do like any other motor really.

would do new all new valve train, with a turbo cam in it. new intake mani, personally i like the skunk2. but i'm not sure for boosted.
and then larger fuel injectors(not sure how big)/fuel pump. new map sensor. and of course get it dyno tuned!
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

in your opinon about how much hp would that give me...and it would also be turboed...do you know a good trim on the turbo....and i heard for a sohc it does not take as long to spool up..like around 3k when the turbo kicks in...is that correct
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

Cylinders might need a hone first. Believe you can also bore to 86mm (gives you 2207cc up from 2156cc).

The head you have is probably the only 85mm one that won't result in a compression drop. That or some other F series head other than the F20B such as the F22B. For a turbo build though, I would stick with the SOHC non VTEC over SOHC VTEC.

Just get your current head a decent port/polish, fit stiffer valve springs, etc. and with the bottom end work you should easily hit your power goal.
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

that helps alot...but so far i have only found 86 and 87 mm pistons so i might have to port and polish my head...get it bored to 86 or 87mm...so when i do that i would just have to get the right size pistons and a bigger diameter valve cover gasket on im good to go right???..thanks for all you help if you all have any futher info on if or your opinion let me know...thanks again
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85mm pistons (no idea about availability or quality):
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Far as I know you can't bore to 87mm without resleeving. 86mm is ok and then I guess just run a F23 head gasket?
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Re: Can i get opinons on some engines to boost

with that link you posted they are 85mm pistons but the compression is 8.8:1....dont i need 9:1.....but if i did bore it to 86mm i could throw the F23 head gasket on there....now would the compression still be the same if i bore it to 86mm..
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You don't "need" 9:1. There is no exact ratio that is required to boost. 8.4 to around 9 is generally recommended. Can go higher (or lower), just depends on boost, tuning and fuel. Need to make sure that you don't get detonation.

Higher octane fuel, lower boost pressure or lower static compression all help prevent the fuel from premature detonation. So for instance you will see people running higher boost and therefore getting more hp/tq on higher octane fuel in the same engine.

The lower the static compression, generally the more boost you can run and therefore the higher effective compression ratio you can achieve, when in boost that is. Means bad power when off boost, plus probably a big turbo to get the higher psi, so it will take longer to spool. So potentially bad turbo lag.
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You don't "need" 9:1. There is no exact ratio that is required to boost. 8.4 to around 9 is generally recommended. Can go higher (or lower), just depends on boost, tuning and fuel. Need to make sure that you don't get detonation.

Higher octane fuel, lower boost pressure or lower static compression all help prevent the fuel from premature detonation. So for instance you will see people running higher boost and therefore getting more hp/tq on higher octane fuel in the same engine.

The lower the static compression, generally the more boost you can run and therefore the higher effective compression ratio you can achieve, when in boost that is. Means bad power when off boost, plus probably a big turbo to get the higher psi, so it will take longer to spool. So potentially bad turbo lag.
well put!

i know a few poeple who have run larger turbos with higher compression.
ha i knew one guy who ran a shop out here, he was driving a EK hatchback, with a b16 in it, 10.5:1 CR with a 67mm turbo on it. thing was so ****ing crazy! it spooled that thing up at like 3k. put down almost 600whp for the like 9 months he had it before it blew up.. lol
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So bore it over to 86mm and get forged pistons and a head gasket to fit and don't worry so much on my ratio.....and go from there..now with a sohc when I put the turbo on it it should spool as quick right around 3k depending on the trim size....what size would be adequate??d
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just go with a GT35R!!! lol no i have idea on what turbo to use..
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So bore it over to 86mm and get forged pistons and a head gasket to fit and don't worry so much on my ratio.....and go from there..now with a sohc when I put the turbo on it it should spool as quick right around 3k depending on the trim size....what size would be adequate??d
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all it takes is money man...u can boost a stock F22a but u aint getting 350hp...LOL.....u can boost a H22 and easily make 350hp if u rebuild it and sleeve it and forged pistons and whatnot but it wont be cheap....
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u can make 350hp if u build up the f22 but...if u just slap a turbo on to try and make 350hp it wont happen or should i say if u do the motor would be a ticking time bomb...... .

think about it, a stock F22 only had 130hp...u cant throw another 220hp more it on stock parts and expect it to hold together...

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between HT and cb7t, i'd say there's about 3-4 times more BONE STOCK F22's pushing ~400whp than ~350whp stock H22's. boom, pwned.
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But you need that scoop on the hood. Is it true that they're big enough to fit your lunch box and all your camera gear in it?
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