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installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

i just finished up installing my turbo here's what i did.
1. relocate battery
2. dsm turbo mani
3. 16g turbo
4. intercooler
5. intercooler piping
6. connected wastegate to ic piping
7. connected bov to im
8. return oil line
9. sandwich plate
10. oil feed line
11. 450cc dsm injectors
12. 255 lph fuel pump
13. aem wideband analog uego o2 gauge
14. fuel pressure gauge
15. boost gauge
16. oil pressure gauge ( think i forgot to wire one up. )
17. chipped ecu from preludepower.com motoxxxman using crome.
18. aem fuel rail
19. oil catch can
20. gates blue racing timing belt
21. stage 1 race clutch


now here's my problems. i didn't drive it b/c i was affraid i might burn up something. the valve noise is pretty bad like it's lacking alot of oil.
i have major valve train noise. it was fine before the install. i did a vavle adjustment before the install and i did it when it was dead cold. left it parked for two days before i did the adjustment. i was thinking maybe it's because i don't have a oil restrictor for my turbo. it's just a line from the sandwich plate to the turbo. just wondering if that was taking away all the pressure and preventing oil from being able to reach the top end.

second question is how do you properly adjust a greddy type s bov? and do i need to hook up the bottom vacuum to anything?

third on the turbo timer how long should i leave it running after i arrive at my destination? like if it was driving around the block don't worry about it? and after hard driving i run the turbo timer?

fourth. if the numbers are lower on the wideband does that mean it's too lean and the numbers are higher it's running rich? mine idles at 11

last question how long should i warm up the engine in the morning before taking off? i'm a guy who's not use to warming up cars. i just jump in and go. but i know with turbo's i've heard it will seriously shorten their lives. so i gotta break that habit but for how long should i have it running. i have a remote start so it won't be too much hassle for me to warm it up before i jump in the car just want to know for how long though.

i'll post some pictures up once i'm finished and have everything running right. i would've taken pictures of the process just in case anyone else tried to attempt it. but it's not easy. i ended up making a front torque mount. that took up alot of time. and if i knew how the piping was going to be like i think i would've went with 2" piping over 2.5 anyways please give me some help i want this baby up and pushing....
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

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now here's my problems. i didn't drive it b/c i was affraid i might burn up something. the valve noise is pretty bad like it's lacking alot of oil.
i have major valve train noise. it was fine before the install. i did a vavle adjustment before the install and i did it when it was dead cold. left it parked for two days before i did the adjustment. i was thinking maybe it's because i don't have a oil restrictor for my turbo. it's just a line from the sandwich plate to the turbo. just wondering if that was taking away all the pressure and preventing oil from being able to reach the top end.

you sure you did the valve adjustment correctly? there's no reason why your valves would get noiser after installing a turbo, there's no relation between the two of them. did you run the car after the adjustment but before boots install?


second question is how do you properly adjust a greddy type s bov? and do i need to hook up the bottom vacuum to anything?

if there's an adjusting nut on the top, you turn that to adjust how soft/hard you want it to open, which adjusts how early/late it'll open. if it opens too early you'll loose all your boots out the BOV. if it opens too late you'll get compressor surge. if there's 2 vacuum nipples,use the bottom one.

third on the turbo timer how long should i leave it running after i arrive at my destination? like if it was driving around the block don't worry about it? and after hard driving i run the turbo timer?

i'd run it for a minute or two always.

fourth. if the numbers are lower on the wideband does that mean it's too lean and the numbers are higher it's running rich? mine idles at 11

air:fuel ratio. 11 air particles for every 1 fuel particle. since stoich is 14.7 when its perfectly balanced with each other, the lower the number is richer (aka 1:1). higher number = leaner (20:1). your running pretty damn rich, but its better rich than lean! just get it tuned ASAP!!!

last question how long should i warm up the engine in the morning before taking off? i'm a guy who's not use to warming up cars. i just jump in and go. but i know with turbo's i've heard it will seriously shorten their lives. so i gotta break that habit but for how long should i have it running. i have a remote start so it won't be too much hassle for me to warm it up before i jump in the car just want to know for how long though.

you can jump in and start driving immediately, but don't rip on it til the engine is fully warmed up, 2 full bars.


i'll post some pictures up once i'm finished and have everything running right. i would've taken pictures of the process just in case anyone else tried to attempt it. but it's not easy. i ended up making a front torque mount. that took up alot of time. and if i knew how the piping was going to be like i think i would've went with 2" piping over 2.5 anyways please give me some help i want this baby up and pushing....
o wow 2.5" piping is pretty damn big for such a small setup like a 16g haha. hopefully you don't have serious lag
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

thanks for the help. okay for the valve adjustment... i did test drive it. i did the valve adjustment a week before the actual build. i wanted to make sure the engine part was fully in working order before i jumped on the install. so it won't be that the oil is flowing into the turbo and taking all the pressure out of the pump?
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

Wow.. loads of possible issues.

1. Is the 'guessmap' setup for 440cc on a h23 map?
2. How much adjusting of the valves did you do? (Did you drive it after adjusting them, b4 turbo)
3. Turbo oil feed should have a restrictor. No matter what turbo, there should be a restriction.
4. whens the tuning appointment?
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o wow 2.5" piping is pretty damn big for such a small setup like a 16g haha. hopefully you don't have serious lag
Jesus christ man! is there anything you dont know?
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Jesus christ man! is there anything you dont know?
lol... theres plenty. Neck is a smart kid. You have to remember, he has successfully turbocharged a prelude. Anyone who does that has to be pretty knowledgeable to keep it running. Plus, thats an easy one..

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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

the basemap was setup for the h23 with the dsm injectors... and i adjusted the valves using the fsm specs. and i drove her around for a week before i tried installing the turbo so for the valve adjustment part it was all good before i installed the turbo. and for the appointment i haven't found anyone reliable enough to take it to. unless i drive like three hours away... i'm leaving to so cal in a couple of days so i was planning on dropping at the shop before i went but now i think i need to get rid of the valve noise before taking it out to them. would running rich cause the valve train to make noise?
and for the bottom vacuum for the bov where do i need to connect it to? i've read one site and it said to connect it like tee it off with the wastgate vacuum on the ic piping before the ic is that right?
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Jesus christ man! is there anything you dont know?


actually, most of the time i just guess and take wild stabs in the dark, hope i'm right, and no one calls me out on it

and there's plentyyyyy i don't know. i just don't know what it is that i don't know. /trippy/


and no, do NOT tee off the wastegate!!!! nothing should ever get tee'd off the WG. a dedicated vacuum source for everything is the ideal setup; BOV, WG, and gauge
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

figured out the problem... it was the sandwhich plate... it required a cooler. so when i just used it for the extras like the gauge and the oil feed there was no way to return it back to the filter so there was no oil going through the filter. so for now i just removed the sandwhich plate until i get an oil cooler. and i teed off the oil pressure switch. it runs beautiful test drove it. i know i'm running super rich b/c it goes all the way to 10 i just need to find a good tuner around nashville. anyone know of any? how long can i run like this with no serious problems?
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

oh ya i forgot to ask...where should i connect the lower vaccum on the bov to than?
and when i'm cruising i can hear the bov hissing does that mean the spring tension is too loose and needs to be tightened down? and by tightening it would i be raising boost pressure? i don't want it any higher than 8lbs. but if i tighten it would it go up to like 10? since i'm running stock internals i don't want to stress out the motor too much.
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Re: installed h23 dsm turbo build need help...

you need to get it tuned ASAP!! the easiest way to blow ur shiit up is driving on a basemap for too long.

i didn't see anyone in tenn, so maybe there's someone in another state thats pretty close
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BOV goes to the IM most of the time. if you don't have any empty nipples (which you should) you can tee into something like the FPR.

yea you def need to tighten the BOV cuz it sounds like ur loosing boots. you might gain another psi of boots or two, but i honestly wouldn't worry about since a 16g is a small turbo and 10psi isn't really too much. remember its not psi that breaks things, its hp.
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