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buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

okay i'm experimenting with my lude so i don't want to dump tons of money and blowup something and have my money go down the drain. so this is the list of parts i have and some issues i have and questions. first i'll list the parts i have.

1. dsm turbo manifold
2. dsm turbo with internal wastegate
3. turbo downpipe
4. dsm 450cc blue top injectors
5. aem fuel injector rail
6. 255lph walbro fuel pump
7. intercooler piping
8. intercooler
9. greddy bov
10. chipped ecu
11. gates racing timing belt
12. oil pressure guage
13. fuel pressure guage
14. boost pressure guage

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1. what am i missing?
2. do i need to change the plugs to a colder plug?
3. my car is h23 stock internals how much pressure would be on the safezone
4. should i relocate my batterry to the trunk?
5. do i still need to install a missing link(trick valve) with a chipped ecu?
6. do i need to install an fmu 12:1 with a chipped ecu?
7. what gauges am i missing and what do i need to monitor for running boost?
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

i like these threads

1)
-oil feed and return lines
-random silicone couplers and T-BOLT CLAMPS!!!! not hose clamps!!
-misc vacuum tubing for BOV, boots gauge, etc
-i'll try to think of others

2) YES, one step colder should be fine. i've been running NGK-BKR7e's (the regular v-powers) for like 10,000 now, changing them every 4-5K. but apparently i just found out that the BKR7EIX's (the iridiums) are good for 20-50K miles, and i'm literally about to install these in like 5 minutes.

3) i'd say 10psi would be a safe limit, cuz those are small turbo's for our engines. but it also depends on the condition of your motor before boots; you've done a comp and leakdown test, right? but try to keep in minds, its not the boost pressure that breaks parts, its power. and being "SAFE" is directly attributed to who tunes the car. who you having doing that?

4) only if either;
a) you wanna run the IC piping a different way than normal (aka not in the stock air intake location)
or
b) the battery is the way of the turbo's intake.

5) nopeee

6) nopee. FMU's simply raise the fuel pressure per pound of boost; basically its a very rudimentary form of fuel management. since your chipped ECU controls the fuel and injectors, you don't need the POS FMU.

7) i'd honestly replace the fuel pressure with a wideband O2 sensor. i've never needed to know what my FP was. but having the wideband is almost a necessity not only when your tuning the car, but its also extremmmelyyy useful to have to know whether your car is running rich, lean, or stoich.
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

when you say o2 sensor you mean fuel air guage?
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

yup, and there's two types of AFR gauges, wideband and narrowband.
wideband is a gauge that's directly hooked up to an o2 sensor that will replace your stock o2 sensor in your downpipe and it gives you an actual numerical reading of what your AFR is. they're more expensive, around $120, but they are much much much better than the narrowband.

the NB gauge gets its signal from your ECU wires (i think) and basically only tells you when your running rich/lean/stoich, thats it. its basically just a fancy light show.
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

where you find a wideband gauge for 120? i found a package with the gauge and sensor but its like 230
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

still everything i see on there is 200+. did you buy it used from somebody or something? lol. i dont see anything new anywhere near that price
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how much has all that stuff ran you in price? im planning on turboing mine very soon.
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

i got the turbo mani for 25. i just bought the oil feed line and return for 75. apexi intercooler, dsm turbo, dsm 450cc blue top injectors, 255lph fuel pump i got from a friend who has an eclipse gsx and he upgraded his car so i got the spare. the rest i think i've spent around 500 total... but i know i'm going to end up spending more...
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

i got turbo parts for sale :)
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

did a compression test...
1. 192 psi
2. 191 psi
3. 193 psi
4. 180 psi

purchased silicone couplers t clamps and aem a/f wideband. got the dsm mani bolt holes matched up. oil return line and oil pressure line.
read up on installing a turbo. egt? is that necassary? i know every gauge matters but is this gauge a must?
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

nahh EGT isn't NECESSARY, especially if you have a WBO2. a WBO2 will tell you if you're running rich, lean, or stoich, and when you run rich the engine runs relatively cooler than when it runs lean where it runs very very hot, so essentially, your WBO2 is two gauges in one.

but if your looking for one more gauge to run (in a pod or something) EGT would be the next gauge i would get after the essential boost, oil pressure, and WBO2.
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i got turbo parts for sale :)
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

Any updates? What kind of chipped .cu do you have and what software will you be running? I need to start collecting more parts and want to know what all else I need.

Does he need an FPR? Also I heard that the T25 DSM turbo are too small for an H23 application...
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

oh... okay. well if you're doing a dsm build... i have a build thread started at preludepower as threw a rod. same id. it'll show a picture of where or how much you have to shave the block in order for the dsm turbo to bolt on.
this is what i had...
255lph walbro fuel pump
aem fuel rail
440cc dsm black top injectors ( no mods necessary they all just slide in.)
chipped ecu
dsm manifold (needs to be redrilled for it to bolt into a h23.
dsm wastegate
dsm 16g turbo
greddy bov
fmic
aem uego wideband
boost gauge
oil pressure gauge
fuel pressure gauge
voltmeter
tapped oil pan for oil return
oil return line
oil feed line
downpipe
charge pipe
vacuum hose
air filter
oil catch can
colder plugs
t fitting to split off the oil pressure switch and oil feed line right under oil filter.
charge pipe couplings
t clamps
made a custom front torsion mount. I didn't post pictures of that mount yet. but i will soon on pp. if you have any questions i can answer them for you. i did everything but the ecu part. had someone else at pp chip the ecu and a local tuner tune the ecu for me. other then that all me.
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

Where have you been all my life haha. awesome dude! How much did you spend chipping the Ecu? and what software did you use to tune it? Chrome? Hondata? also is the t25 turbo too small? I have the 450cc injecters, is that fine?

are you happy with the results? What are you putting out for numbers?

I'm not new to all this I just need direction lol
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

hmm t25 sorry don't know. the only turbos i know that people put on their cars are the 14b and 16g from dsm. i spent 250 if i'm correct on the chipping part. and tuning i had mine tuned from a guy in nashville who used crome. and i payed him 200 for a street tune. at the time i didn't want to pay for the dyno cuz i had plans to rebuild and build my block like sleeving and port head balance the works. so once i'm finished with my build i'm going to go to the dyno and i'll let you know what numbers i'm getting. i'm constantly updating the build thread so you could check it out and keep tabs on it if you're interested. the turbo i'm just keeping the 16g for now cuz the engine build is taking up all the money and i don't want to cut any shortcuts on the engine internals. do it once and do it right so you don't have to take it apart again. as for the turbo it's an external bolt on so i'll upgrade later down the road. but when i was running it i was pretty satisified with the power outputs and all.
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

Ok so I just found out that my Turbo is actually a Big16G!!! that makes me way happy! My buddy has a 255 high pressure pump and a lot of other parts off his modded MX-6 that he will sell me. I am on my way to turbo!!! need a prelude first though haha

Who did you send your ECU to and did you tell them to chip it any sort of way? I dont know if there is just a generic way to chip if for a turbo or what?
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89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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Re: buiding h23 dsm turbo setup need some input.

well first thing you should do is find a local tuner. and go which way he wants too. it'll prob save you money unless you're planning on tunning it yourself. you need a you're ecu mapped to your cars settings. so when you take it to a tuner what'll you'll need to know is the details of your engine internals ( cams, compression diameter, etc.) if it's been modified or if it's stock. what type of turbo, how many lbs you'll be boosting, injector size, fuel pump. and the tuner usually has a wb02 but even for you it'll be nice to have one installed.
but ya first find the guy who's actually going to be the one tuning your car. if there isn't one local and you have to drive pretty far to like get to him then who ever it is you should like i said contact him. that guy would prob chip and tune your car for you kinda of like a package thing so it'll save you money. if he doesn't chip ecu's there's a guy on preludepower that chips ecu's.
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