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14b DSM turbo

So over on PreludePower i found a guy who is selling a 14b DSM turbo, Manifold, and Downpipe all for the third gen, but i was wonder, since Im new to all this and do not want to get ripped off, what are some peoples opinions on this turbo? And is it easy to get ahold of a wastegate and everything else im gonna need to complete it??
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-14b's are internally gated. no need for an external wastegate.
-i didn't know there were 3rd gen DSM's wouldn't those be the last generation?? 2002'ish. from what i've heard, its the 1st gen DSM mani's that bolt up to H23's/F22's, and MAYBEEE 2nd gen's.
-some people say the 14b is a LITTLE small for H23's, but i think it should be absolutely perfect for a first-time turbo'er. they should be good for about 230-240hp, with very minimal turbo lag, since its on the smaller size of a turbo.

how much is he askin for turbo mani and downpipe?? and is there any shaftplay in the turbo?
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-14b's are internally gated. no need for an external wastegate.
-i didn't know there were 3rd gen DSM's wouldn't those be the last generation?? 2002'ish. from what i've heard, its the 1st gen DSM mani's that bolt up to H23's/F22's, and MAYBEEE 2nd gen's.
-some people say the 14b is a LITTLE small for H23's, but i think it should be absolutely perfect for a first-time turbo'er. they should be good for about 230-240hp, with very minimal turbo lag, since its on the smaller size of a turbo.

how much is he askin for turbo mani and downpipe?? and is there any shaftplay in the turbo?
Im putting this on my B21A1, dont know if the manifold is custom but he says it will bolt right up to the B20A and B21A engines. Around 230-240 sounds perfect to me, it will work until this engine dies its oily death. Hes asking 350$ for the Mani and Downpipe, 150$ for the turbo. Still awaiting his reply on the condition of the turbo.
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Im putting this on my B21A1...

...until this engine dies its oily death.

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14b is way to small for the h23, not a good turbo for a first timer. the fuel curve for that engine would be crazy. on top of the fact it would only be effecient to about 80 and then it would die off. being such a small turbo they would run into detontation issues. if you ust use a mistu trubo go with a 16g its much better for the h23.
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if it must be a mistu turbo go with a "BIG 16G"
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So over on PreludePower i found a guy who is selling a 14b DSM turbo, Manifold, and Downpipe all for the third gen, but i was wonder, since Im new to all this and do not want to get ripped off, what are some peoples opinions on this turbo? And is it easy to get ahold of a wastegate and everything else im gonna need to complete it??
Thanks in advance for any help.
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bahhh... you can choose which turbo u want. if you want fast accelaration from low end... i say go with that turbo but just to let u know turbo will die out at high rpm at like mayb 7000 or 7100 ish. but if u want 16g from evo's it's little bit better than the 14b which i never heard of... i thought 14b was like super 16g right? anyways if u have h23, i say go with bigger turbo so u'll have lot more play in the top end. have fun with ur turbo set up man.

ps- If i were u, i would just get the set up w/o the turbo. and spend some good money on a turbo so u won't have to buy another one when u want some high Horespower. but its just my 2cents u know? also, when u tune it make sure u get a good ems .....
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being such a small turbo they would run into detontation issues.

not nessarily or however u spell it. just the fact that turbo is sooo small that it will die out quicker but have fast ass accelaration. my buddy had super 16g on a F2.2 L dohc non vtec.. jdm accord motor. nothing happend just that it died out.... and it was fine tuning with chrome.
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14b is not the super 16g, 14b is closer to the 25t or whatever very very very small turbo. but it would be a good starter turbo although i would never buy a used turbo buy a new one i learned that the hard way. and buy for more then what you want. if you are looking for 200 whp then shoot for something that can do 300 or higher horsepower why not? the turbo would have to work less and you can always increase it. a regular 16g is not much more then a 14b but it can pull up to 400 whp no prob almost 25 pounds of boost. i have one on my car. love spoils fast but it doesnt work as hard or produce as much horsepower as it could since i am not in the optimal psi band it is wastegated at about 10 to 11 psi i only run about 5 normally but the optimal area is around 15 to 25 psi thats where it makes the most horsepower. that would be more then enough on ur B21, i dunno why everyone keeps thinking u have an h23???
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who have b21 lol?
i thought 14b and super 16g's are about the same size. just housings are bigger. if u want 200-350whp range w/ b21. just get a t3/to4b or t3/to4e.
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Im putting this on my B21A1, dont know if the manifold is custom but he says it will bolt right up to the B20A and B21A engines. Around 230-240 sounds perfect to me, it will work until this engine dies its oily death. Hes asking 350$ for the Mani and Downpipe, 150$ for the turbo. Still awaiting his reply on the condition of the turbo.
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ur right about the size of the turbos, but the 20g is in the same housing as the 14b as well but that is a huge turbo. The mitsus almost all have the same size housings but the difference in the ratings come from the induction wheel. if you look at the wheels they are all different a lot of people try to sell the 14b as a 16 and a 16g as a 20g, but if u look at the wheel on the inside it is different and thats one of the ways to tell them apart.
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ur right about the size of the turbos, but the 20g is in the same housing as the 14b as well but that is a huge turbo. The mitsus almost all have the same size housings but the difference in the ratings come from the induction wheel. if you look at the wheels they are all different a lot of people try to sell the 14b as a 16 and a 16g as a 20g, but if u look at the wheel on the inside it is different and thats one of the ways to tell them apart.
i thought theres alot of difference between 14b and 20g.the 20g have bigger inlet and outlet and whole diameter.. yes bigger housings too. and im pretty sure 20g never came on a mitsus (stock)... only 16g w/ bigger housing in the new evos. 20g is pretty big for a b series and i thought 14b was just like 16g.
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i thought all three had the tdo5h housing just the 20g had a bigger induction and exhaust holes and larger wheel inside, i am going to research ur probably right though. 14b and 16g both have the tdo5h housing just different internals i know that for sure.

looked it up and the 20g has either a td05 housing bored out to 7cm or a tdo6 housing, the tdo5 housing has the 20g compressor wheel and the tdo5 turbine wheel. so we were both right.

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i thought all three had the tdo5h housing just the 20g had a bigger induction and exhaust holes and larger wheel inside, i am going to research ur probably right though. 14b and 16g both have the tdo5h housing just different internals i know that for sure.

looked it up and the 20g has either a td05 housing bored out to 7cm or a tdo6 housing, the tdo5 housing has the 20g compressor wheel and the tdo5 turbine wheel. so we were both right.
20g have td06 which is kind of bigger than the td05. and yes, u can make hybrid like that. using 16g/20g. but if you get the right 20g it will b td06
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