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Okay, so to make it clear ALL of this will be in the "far from now" future. As in I don't even have the car at the moment. I am about 95% sure that I will be getting a completly stock 94' Lude soon for around $2k off CL, and I wanted to do a H22 swap and go N/A, but after reading just about every thread there was on N/A the gains were quite honestly..sh!t. So I started to look into turbos and the like, and they are more what I'm looking for.

Here is my situation:
I had a 2000 Lude that I wrecked a month or so ago, and am parting it out to make some cash to go into the new car. My parents were VERY generous and gave me the $2k to spend without having to repay, this will be buying the car I mentioned above. I have read the majority of threads and such on boosting a lude but still need advice. I have found a complete stock H22 for $800, and that is what I will be boosting and dropping into the 94'. It will be on a cherry picker and I want it to be my project I guess, I am looking for somewhere between 400whp to 500whp and would like to hear ANY suggestions as to a build or what I should do, or if I am even on the right track.
As a bonus, I am quite the noob when it comes to turbos, but am willing to learn.

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Okay, so to make it clear ALL of this will be in the "far from now" future. As in I don't even have the car at the moment. I am about 95% sure that I will be getting a completly stock 94' Lude soon for around $2k off CL, and I wanted to do a H22 swap and go N/A, but after reading just about every thread there was on N/A the gains were quite honestly..sh!t. So I started to look into turbos and the like, and they are more what I'm looking for.

Here is my situation:
I had a 2000 Lude that I wrecked a month or so ago, and am parting it out to make some cash to go into the new car. My parents were VERY generous and gave me the $2k to spend without having to repay, this will be buying the car I mentioned above. I have read the majority of threads and such on boosting a lude but still need advice. I have found a complete stock H22 for $800, and that is what I will be boosting and dropping into the 94'. It will be on a cherry picker and I want it to be my project I guess, I am looking for somewhere between 400whp to 500whp and would like to hear ANY suggestions as to a build or what I should do, or if I am even on the right track.
As a bonus, I am quite the noob when it comes to turbos, but am willing to learn.

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What motor comes in that 94 lude? I don't know anything about 4th gens lol.

My advice would be to just save save save and save. If your lookin for 400 to 500 whp its gonna take some serious cash flow.
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Okay, so to make it clear ALL of this will be in the "far from now" future. As in I don't even have the car at the moment. I am about 95% sure that I will be getting a completly stock 94' Lude soon for around $2k off CL, and I wanted to do a H22 swap and go N/A, but after reading just about every thread there was on N/A the gains were quite honestly..sh!t. So I started to look into turbos and the like, and they are more what I'm looking for.

Here is my situation:
I had a 2000 Lude that I wrecked a month or so ago, and am parting it out to make some cash to go into the new car. My parents were VERY generous and gave me the $2k to spend without having to repay, this will be buying the car I mentioned above. I have read the majority of threads and such on boosting a lude but still need advice. I have found a complete stock H22 for $800, and that is what I will be boosting and dropping into the 94'. It will be on a cherry picker and I want it to be my project I guess, I am looking for somewhere between 400whp to 500whp and would like to hear ANY suggestions as to a build or what I should do, or if I am even on the right track.
As a bonus, I am quite the noob when it comes to turbos, but am willing to learn.

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Sorry to hear ya lude passed away. btw what are you parting out im interested??...turbo wise id be carefull with the amount of boost you put on.Ive seen a few H's blow!!, be safe and run like 12 lbs of boost to start off,make sure all your internals upgraded{bigger cams,bigger pistons,titanimum piston rings and run a good ECU,hondata for example
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[QUOTE=My97Prelude;286916]What motor comes in that 94 lude? I don't know anything about 4th gens lol. Dude the bb4 comes with a H23 motor .Next!!! lol
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[QUOTE=My97Prelude;286916]What motor comes in that 94 lude? I don't know anything about 4th gens lol.

Dude bb4 comes with a H23 motor..Next!! lol
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Re: Thinking Boost... Need Advice

stock h22 on boost will not get you to 400hp. it will have to be built for that.
your looking at another 5-6k to get the turbo setup and the motor built. are you prepared for that???
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What motor comes in that 94 lude? I don't know anything about 4th gens lol.

Dude bb4 comes with a H23 motor..Next!! lol

4th gens came with the F22a1, H23a1, and H22a1... good try though


Unless they're from japan... then I believe the options were F22b, and H22a
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Re: Thinking Boost... Need Advice

Man everyone is getting boost happy!

400 to 500 whp is gonna cost ya some money. You're gonna have 2 build ur engine (search) and gonna have to get it tuned with a good ems. U also gotta upgrade ur fuel and a bunch of other things. Just start saving ur $ and do alot of research!!
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400-500whp is insane numbers. Thats not somethin you should make your daily driver. Anything up to 300 is good. 300+ is not made for street use, or daily use.

I usually see somewhere around 270whp for stock turbo h22's. Of course it all depends on what turbo, manifold, and tuning you decide to go with. 270whp is enough for you to run mid to high 13's if your a good driver. I'll leave it at that.

And yes, turbo is way cheaper to get power out of n/a. you'll be much happier at the end of the day with a turbo build I'm sure.

If your looking for build advice here is a link:
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1024174

That link has all your turbo/supercharger questions and you can just read the information relevant to what your looking to do.

I'll post up some other good links when I get home but I'm at my girls place right now. Good luck and I'll be checking back up on this thread in a bit.
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Re: Thinking Boost... Need Advice

Did somebody say boost. lol

I made 422whp with more to go and it was my daily driver. And when i say daily driven. I mean, work and back, Just cruisin, AutoX and drag events. You name it.
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I notice you said "was" my daily driver...what happened to the turbo setup? lol
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there right when it costs money. my goal is as close to 700whp as poss.
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Thanks for all the advice, and like I said, its something I want to do FAR from now, I was planning a complete rebuild while the H22 was pulled, I was thinking on this to be say... senior project. lol Yeah I know its going to be a deep pockets deal, and Im willing to dig in for it..
Thanks for the links, I will definately have to check them out.

I was kinda shooting for that range because my brother runes like 623whp on a 300zx, but its a fully built twin turbo. Brother rivalry deal.
Again, thanks for the advice I will still be looking into it and might through some builds I would want onto here for your input.

EDIT: I found a Turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid complete kit for $4k, capable of 275whp with 8psi. Is this more what I would be wanting to look into?
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Did somebody say boost. lol

I made 422whp with more to go and it was my daily driver. And when i say daily driven. I mean, work and back, Just cruisin, AutoX and drag events. You name it.
really. So your telling me you recommend 422whp fwd preludes as a DD for rain/snow/sleet etc etc?

Thats a new one to me brosif. Sorry bro but thats really just not safe or practical. It may fit you but it doesn't fit most.
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really. So your telling me you recommend 422whp fwd preludes as a DD for rain/snow/sleet etc etc?

Thats a new one to me brosif. Sorry bro but thats really just not safe or practical. It may fit you but it doesn't fit most.
well, in the south its different. In the north I know it will be difficult but here in the south, all it does is rains (no snow, sleet, etc.)
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well, in the south its different. In the north I know it will be difficult but here in the south, all it does is rains (no snow, sleet, etc.)
Regardless, ask twokexlv6coupe what its like to drive his 210whp (lowest boost setting) lude in the rain. I'm sure at 250whp, what it peaked at 10psi is even worse. I wish I could find the thread but this is almost verbatim of what he said about driving in the rain->

"at 3k rpms its like insta-burnout"

You guys all make your own choices. Im just saying anything 300+ whp is not practical as a daily driver. If you can do it and keep your car in 1 piece then by all means have at it. I'm just trying to be a devil's advocate.
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I'm not trying to sound like a know it all... but is this a FWD thing?

cuz my dad used to daily drive a 97 Z28 camaro making about 400whp... it was fine, was it cuz it was RWD?
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I lost my Lude do to a drunk driver so i moved on to bigger and better things. But yes. I drove it all day everyday. it was my only car and NO, it didnt break everywhere. It was just as reliable as it was when it was NA. Little nick nacks here and there but no biggies. Plus that motor had over 40k on it built and boosted, and it didnt smoke or burn oil a bit. Do it right, Do it once. Besides, here in the south, no snow, no rust, no problems.

And if you wanna see alot of 300-500whp hondas daily driving. By all means, take a vacation down here.

And think about it, a new Mazdaspeed 3 make over 300whp with only a full exhaust and a reflash. How many of them do you think is rolling around.

Spinning at 3000rpm is called needing tires and suspension. First gear is understandable but 2nd and 3rd, That can easily be fixed. I know, because that was something i was able to hold at my powerlevel. Driving and acting a fool in the rain is your own fault. You dont need over 200whp in the rain to F your car up really bad. I owned my car for nearly 6 years and in the pictures is exactly what it looked like before it got hit by a drunk driver, and as you can see, with 145,000 miles and over 40k miles of 422whp driven everyday. It looked dawm good. I by all means, NEVER babied my car, and if it wasnt for the drunk driver, I'd still be driving her today.
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stock h22 on boost will not get you to 400hp. it will have to be built for that.
your looking at another 5-6k to get the turbo setup and the motor built. are you prepared for that???
if you tune it correctly and have a healthy motor to begin with, 400whp stock block is pretty easy and has been done multiple times.

btw OP, the reason you see **** gains for NA is because 9/10 the person doing the NA build just slaps a bunch of parts together and thinks they will go fast and beyond that, doesnt take the extra step to make everything attempt to work together by tuning the fuel and ignition timing. NA takes thought and development. Not an overnight, turn up the boost if you not happy kinda deal.

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I don't have any problems in the rain.... I don't have 400hp and I really try not to drive it in the rain... Its my DD though
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i love how the boosted honda is the DD and the Z is the weekend warrior?
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But you need that scoop on the hood. Is it true that they're big enough to fit your lunch box and all your camera gear in it?
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Re: Thinking Boost... Need Advice

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EDIT: I found a Turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid complete kit for $4k, capable of 275whp with 8psi. Is this more what I would be wanting to look into?
no. dont get that. here's a suggestion list... assuming u wanna keep ac. if not, add about 4-600 to get a more efficient el mani, 3"dp.

spoolin performance log mani, 2.5 dp, dump combo $700
garrett t3/t4 $600
oil lines $100
gaskets $100
charge pipes and intercooler $200
wastegate $300
bov $200
injectors $300 (on ur bb4, you can use dsm 450's which will support about 300hp)
map sensor $100
neptune $600 (tuned)

did i forget anything?
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