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Running EVO 16g = new map?

Hey, I was talking to this local guy Kennan, he drives an EVO 8, he said the stock boost from an EVO (big) 16g is 17-19 lbs, if I use this set up I'll need a 2 bar correct? or would I need to change the boost?

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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

well, how much do you wanna run? 17-19? if not, then you gotta turn it down.

but if you are gonna run that much, then yes you'll need a 2, or even 3bar, just to be safe.
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

I'm thinking my build will be able to handle 17 lbs, but I'm not sure lol
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

17 pounds is barely anything on a 16g, its prolly only a bit over 300hp.



but if its teh OTHER turbo you told me about, thats a diff story hahahahaha
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

so wait...

17lbs on a 16g will make different hp numbers than 17lbs on that other turbo I told you about (which turbo I run will be based on whether this other job works out)
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

of course it will. what do you think would flow more air, a drinking straw or a pipe 6" in diameter?


this is why i say this a thousand times over and over and over and over again, stop thinking about how much boots you wanna run. simply think about how much POWER you wanna make, then size the turbo from there.
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

I see I see, well I'm looking at making 300-320 whp, and hopefully close to that in torque.

I'm trying to get help without completely reveling my secret build lol
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

this is why i love evos =D, he drives an 8 and he swapped out turbos for the evo 9 one..hmm i want pics of his car ASAP!!!
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

Hey man I said evo 8, I dont know evo's so it could be a 7.. or a 9, or whatever, this guy RLY knows his EVO stuff


EDIT-plus, no offence, but that rly has nothing to do with my question
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

Might wanna go with a 3-bar map sensor. Judging from what I've read, the stock 1-bar is only good up to about 7psi above atmospheric pressure...so to be safe I'd go with a 3-bar, if you plan on running 17+ psi .
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

Thanks, Thats probably what I'm going to do, or was planning

But now that Nick threw out all this new info about focusing on power instead of boost, maybe I can make my power numbers with like 10 or 11, IDK, looks like more research is in order :( I thought I was ready
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Hey man I said evo 8, I dont know evo's so it could be a 7.. or a 9, or whatever, this guy RLY knows his EVO stuff


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Evo 7 = not made in america

evo 9 = holes in front bumper. Evo 8 doesnt. I know my evo's too

evo 9 = hevyier then evo 8. By a couple lbs.
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

Yeah, I agree with Neck on the "Shoot for power, not for a certain psi" ideal...but still keep the map sensor in mind. If you think you're going to top out at about 11~12 pounds of boost, you should be fine with a 2-bar...but anything higher than that and you'd want a 3-bar I'd imagine.
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Yeah, I agree with Neck on the "Shoot for power, not for a certain psi" ideal...but still keep the map sensor in mind. If you think you're going to top out at about 11~12 pounds of boost, you should be fine with a 2-bar...but anything higher than that and you'd want a 3-bar I'd imagine.
Thanks, I'll do some more research and hopefully get everything figured out before I put it together...

ok something I've always wondered... I slap 12lbs to a stock MAP... what does it do? just not run, or does it like explode? lol
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Evo 7 = not made in america

evo 9 = holes in front bumper. Evo 8 doesnt. I know my evo's too

evo 9 = hevyier then evo 8. By a couple lbs.

nice lol... next time I see him I'll ask him to weigh his car, then I'll compare it to spec haha
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

evo 8 and 9 have different type of a bumpers. evo 8 has clear tail lights.

evo 8 does not have mivec, also like i stated does not have the 16g.

anyway before this goes OT.... if you were to run this turbo wouldn't you have major turbo lag??????????
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

haha its actually the opposite steve. the 16g is a tinyyyyyyy turbo, which is why evo's can run so much boost (17-19pounds or whatever). its even smaller than my t3super60. the smaller the turbo, the less lag, but also the less ultimate power. there's always a compromise.
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i thought it was a bigger turbo....POOP!!!! wait..isnt that the sti's??? the next trim was with a bigger turbo..ahh gay.

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Yeah, I'm looking at the 16g for the low lag, but I want something that will make decent power..... back to research lol
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

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I slap 12lbs to a stock MAP... what does it do? just not run, or does it like explode? lol
In lamen's terms, the MAP sensor would read 12lbs (which is more than one atmosphere of pressure), freak out because it thought something was wrong, and put you in limp-mode immediately.
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In lamen's terms, the MAP sensor would read 12lbs (which is more than one atmosphere of pressure), freak out because it thought something was wrong, and put you in limp-mode immediately.

actually, 1atm = 14.7psi, idk where you got your info from, nubb . fluid dynamics FTW. i loved that class

and stock MAP's max out around 11-12psi.
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Re: Running EVO 16g = new map?

and cars that come from factory turbo'd are usually ALWAYS very tiny turbos: audi, VW, subbie, mitsu, volvo, mercedes, etc. they have smaller turbo's cuz they want minimal turbo lag on these STOCK vehicles since 95% of the buyers aren't looking to make 10000hp, they just want and engine that gets up and goes. its these small turbo's that are allowed to run at ~18psi which i could achieve the same amount of airflow with blowing thru my mouth (i'm damn good at that! ). a smaller turbo at a higher psi will make the same amount of power as a bigger turbo at lower psi, as long as they are flowing the same amount of air (at the given rpm).

THIS is why EVERYONE needs to stop saying "i'm gonna run THIS much psi" or "an engine can safely handle THIS amount of psi." its ALL about how much AIRFLOW the turbo can provide, matched up properly with how much airflow the engine is producing.
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and stock MAP's max out around 11-12psi.
My bad Neck. Stock Honda MAP sensors start to freak out once they hit about 75% of an atmosphere. Which would be about 10.5 PSI, my bad. And I get my info from books like "How to Tune and Modify Engine Management Systems" by Jeff Hartman and "Engine Management Advanced Tuning" by Greg Banish... Just fyi jerkoff.
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Evo 7 = not made in america

evo 9 = holes in front bumper. Evo 8 doesnt. I know my evo's too

evo 9 = hevyier then evo 8. By a couple lbs.

evo 9 first model with vtec or mivec. whatever you want to call it. evo 5 fastest stock evo ever made
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evo 8 and 9 have different type of a bumpers. evo 8 has clear tail lights.

evo 8 does not have mivec, also like i stated does not have the 16g.

anyway before this goes OT.... if you were to run this turbo wouldn't you have major turbo lag??????????
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actually, 1atm = 14.7psi, idk where you got your info from, nubb . fluid dynamics FTW. i loved that class

and stock MAP's max out around 11-12psi.
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and cars that come from factory turbo'd are usually ALWAYS very tiny turbos: audi, VW, subbie, mitsu, volvo, mercedes, etc. they have smaller turbo's cuz they want minimal turbo lag on these STOCK vehicles since 95% of the buyers aren't looking to make 10000hp, they just want and engine that gets up and goes. its these small turbo's that are allowed to run at ~18psi which i could achieve the same amount of airflow with blowing thru my mouth (i'm damn good at that! ). a smaller turbo at a higher psi will make the same amount of power as a bigger turbo at lower psi, as long as they are flowing the same amount of air (at the given rpm).

THIS is why EVERYONE needs to stop saying "i'm gonna run THIS much psi" or "an engine can safely handle THIS amount of psi." its ALL about how much AIRFLOW the turbo can provide, matched up properly with how much airflow the engine is producing.
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beat you to it =P

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how yeah?

how bout this then. The JDM 05 &06 MR' BOV is the SEX! can hold more boost than the USDM BOV's.

I don't know why I posted this just did. Maybe cause I"m gonna buy one and I have my mods list of everything I wanna do. lol I love the evoIX's
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