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Building H22 head for boost

I'm looking to run boost on my H22, the block is already built so now I want to get the head work done before I drop it in a car. I heard the stock cams are the best choice for boost and a heard for the money a P&P isn't that awesome either. So what's the best modifications I can make to the head for the most power?
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valves, valve springs, valve job etc. basically everything haha
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where did you hear a PnP and stock cams is bad for boosted apps...
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I heard that stock cams ARE BEST for boost, and I read the P&P **** in a few places. A bunch of HT threads and a few other forums that Google brought up. I figured I'd get a valve jab when I bring my crankshaft in for machining, to be honest I'll probably get the P&P while it's there so that was irrelevant to mention lol. But as far as the stock cams, any opinions on that? And also what are some good choices for springs and valves and such?
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um i dont know any brands off the top of my head but just stronger ones get lighter metal but stronger like titanium.
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stock cams here on 600+whp. Id stay stock unless you have no budget. The money is much better spent elsewhere.

PNP is great for boost so long as its done right. Right means having it flow tested per cylinder in and out and ported along the lines of maintaining equal flow. Its very pricey.

Most people leave the head alone for basic boost. You can go aftermarket valvetrain if your looking to rev higher than 8k or more than 20psi. If you go aftermarket look into supertech or Ferrera (<--my choice). The only aftermarket valves I would think about using are Ferrera (ever!).

Now, the best modifications you can honestly make to the Head for HP(boosted of course) is a good FI IM such as Golden Eagle, JG, or Venom.


Question: was the bottom end balanced when it was built?
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stock cams here on 600+whp. Id stay stock unless you have no budget. The money is much better spent elsewhere.

PNP is great for boost so long as its done right. Right means having it flow tested per cylinder in and out and ported along the lines of maintaining equal flow. Its very pricey.

Most people leave the head alone for basic boost. You can go aftermarket valvetrain if your looking to rev higher than 8k or more than 20psi. If you go aftermarket look into supertech or Ferrera (<--my choice). The only aftermarket valves I would think about using are Ferrera (ever!).

Now, the best modifications you can honestly make to the Head for HP(boosted of course) is a good FI IM such as Golden Eagle, JG, or Venom.


Question: was the bottom end balanced when it was built?
The block isn't completely built yet, it's already sleeved and I have the parts, I'm just waiting to have the crank balanced and micro polished before I assemble it. I've run into some financial speed bumps which are gonna be in effect for a while, so right now, I just want to get the best bang for my buck and get it into a car by summer.
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stock cams are not the best for boost. If u want a valvetrain job do cams, valves springs, retainers and race head. Also if u wanna get ur intake mani bored out a little thats a good idea aswell.
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stock cams are not the best for boost. If u want a valvetrain job do cams, valves springs, retainers and race head. Also if u wanna get ur intake mani bored out a little thats a good idea aswell.
I didn't exactly mean that the stock camshafts are the absolute be all end all of boost cams, what I was getting at is that they're are far more efficient ways of gaining HP in a FI build, and since I'm low on money, I'm trying to stick with the essentials.

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I didn't exactly mean that the stock camshafts are the absolute be all end all of boost cams, what I was getting at is that they're are far more efficient ways of gaining HP in a FI build, and since I'm low on money, I'm trying to stick with the essentials.

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if u go with cams its prolly the most efficient thing ull add to ur boosted engine to get the most HP. Nothing u can add will get u more HP on a FI engine then cams, other then a bigger turbo. U will see SOOOO much top end its rediculous
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if u go with cams its prolly the most efficient thing ull add to ur boosted engine to get the most HP. Nothing u can add will get u more HP on a FI engine then cams, other then a bigger turbo. U will see SOOOO much top end its rediculous
Not to get into an argument with stealth47x over the cams debate. But, camshafts are going to cost you $600-1000+. That will net you between 6-15 hp as shown by dyno comparisons done in the past on the h22. IIRC the test was done at 10 and 14psi and boost didnt effect gains. I dont see how thats by any means the most efficient thing at all. Maybe on some motors and cars camshafts are worthwhile, but notice the amount of TURBO cams out there for our motors. It might explain the market.

Notice all the high hp guys are running stock cams on the h22... Its a waste of money and simplicity is better sometimes. Im making power to 9400rpms on stock cams.

A good IM gets gains much better than cams do and the higher amount of boost means better gains for it.



Adjustable cam gears got 42whp on my buddies setup and 28whp on my setup once tuned. Thats seems to be money better spent as well...




So, for the budget minded guy... Camshafts would be the last on my list of purchases for a boosted motor.


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Re: Building H22 head for boost

^this guy may know more than the rest of us who have posted on this thread put together... so I would take his word for it... if I ever decided to boost he is one of the 3 or 4 I would ask on this site, luckily I've got a great motorsports shop to fall back on as well...
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Re: Building H22 head for boost

Thanks Lilbluelude, good info and advice, I'll probably do that. And sorry Stealthx47, not trying to mean at all but you got do a little more research on your shtuff because nothing you said was really accurate.

I think I'll save up for an IM. Machining the head along with upgraded valve train is next year when I'm not in massive debt.
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well you can also probly stay with stock valvetrain if you are not planning on raising the redline... now if you got the money go for it... but you said you are sorta on a budget
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okay... well i would stick w/ your stock cams. brian crower valvetrain is what im rocking no problems thus far. adjustable cam gears can benefit.... intake porting to match the intake.... i would go w/ skunk2 manifold i gained 20 so far just from the intake. i would stay w/ STOCK SIZE VALVES... DO NOT GO W/ BIGGER VALVES... your asking for trouble. werd ...why do you ask this forum?? there are very few boosted h22 on this forum... not to mention even fewer built h22.
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Not to get into an argument with stealth47x over the cams debate. But, camshafts are going to cost you $600-1000+. That will net you between 6-15 hp as shown by dyno comparisons done in the past on the h22. IIRC the test was done at 10 and 14psi and boost didnt effect gains. I dont see how thats by any means the most efficient thing at all. Maybe on some motors and cars camshafts are worthwhile, but notice the amount of TURBO cams out there for our motors. It might explain the market.

Notice all the high hp guys are running stock cams on the h22... Its a waste of money and simplicity is better sometimes. Im making power to 9400rpms on stock cams.

A good IM gets gains much better than cams do and the higher amount of boost means better gains for it.



Adjustable cam gears got 42whp on my buddies setup and 28whp on my setup once tuned. Thats seems to be money better spent as well...




So, for the budget minded guy... Camshafts would be the last on my list of purchases for a boosted motor.


Stealth47x: Whats a race head? Do they have one available for the H22?

I keep forgetting hes H22 *thumbs down* ur right, they're better on H23's and 4g36's

And i love how u try to make me look stupid with that false quote but thats cool dude. If it makes u feel better about urself go for it. I just work on turbo'ed cars most of my free time anyways. And mind u they're evo's, sti's, srt4's, and m3's.
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you know im no expert by any means...buuuuuttt im pretty sure H series motor are completely different than evo's, sti's, srt's....and im pretty sure they respond completely different than an h series motor... and if someone was to know it would be someone putting down 600+ in an h series motor. so if cams made that big of difference im sure he would be running some....not stock ones
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cams will always make a big difference, maybe not on a scale, but deffinatly in ur top end on ANY engine. its just more or less the engine itself. Im not getting into an engine class but if u want top end get cams. U gotta pay to play. And if u dont want to get cams then fine, its the driver who's doing it. Alls im putting in is my input, there was no disrespect... until u crossed the line. And nice job trying to get my user name right. I see sumone didnt pass 8th grade *thumbs up*
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Woooh ******s let's calm down. No one's saying cams don't make a difference, we're just saying that for the money, it's a lot easier to just up the boost or throw on a high flow IM. At a point yes you would need them for the higher HP output, but since the build is just beginning, they are not necessary and unfortunately inaccessible due to my low funds. No need to go insulting Lilbluelude when your the one giving inaccurate and uninformed advice.

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Woooh ******s let's calm down. No one's saying cams don't make a difference, we're just saying that for the money, it's a lot easier to just up the boost or throw on a high flow IM. At a point yes you would need them for the higher HP output, but since the build is just beginning, they are not necessary and unfortunately inaccessible due to my low funds. No need to go insulting Lilbluelude when your the one giving inaccurate and uninformed advice.

... and M3's aren't turbo... they're V8... :)

M3's are FI if u wanna do it right lol. Supercharged!

And idk if u caught what he said before right here... this is where it started.

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all he did was ask a simple question no need to get you panties in a wad
i dont think that constitutes starting ****.... im sure if you found a place or site that makes are head for an h22 that is bigger than stock or race ready without machining it then he would tip his hat to you. were not talking small block chevys where you can but different cast heads and slap em on for power... its all machine work.
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Re: Building H22 head for boost

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all he did was ask a simple question no need to get you panties in a wad
i dont think that constitutes starting ****.... im sure if you found a place or site that makes are head for an h22 that is bigger than stock or race ready without machining it then he would tip his hat to you. were not talking small block chevys where you can but different cast heads and slap em on for power... its all machine work.
dude, i never said anything about race heads? where are u getting ur infO!!!!!
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stock cams are not the best for boost. If u want a valvetrain job do cams, valves springs, retainers and race head. Also if u wanna get ur intake mani bored out a little thats a good idea aswell.
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Re: Building H22 head for boost

race head constitutes to Port and Polish. Dont neccesarily have to BUY a head. Id rather do it myself and save the $$$$$
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That makes no sense lol, let's stick with a publicly understood vocabulary. When you said race head I also thought about Chevy's. Son let's not point fingers or stumble over our words or anything, it's all good. It's easier to admit you were wrong to to spend all night covering up.
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wrong about what lol? Is anyone here from newyork or accually race? or is it just me lol. ill let u get odd information WERD. Hope it comes out OK by wut it seems they're saying, goodluck.
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Oh aight, good looks bro, I hope so too.
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Re: Building H22 head for boost

mikey, give up. you need to do alottt more research before posting such general/vague information like you always do.

have you had PERSONAL experience with building an H22 for boost, particularly any dyno graphs proving your statement of "Nothing u can add will get u more HP on a FI engine then cams, other then a bigger turbo. U will see SOOOO much top end its rediculous" ????


cool, you wrench on evo's, sti's, and srt's. good job. they ALREADY come turbo'd, its like comparing apples to elephants. yea bigger cams will make 40hp on my brothers LS1. does that mean it will on an F22??
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mikey, give up. you need to do alottt more research before posting such general/vague information like you always do.

have you had PERSONAL experience with building an H22 for boost, particularly any dyno graphs proving your statement of "Nothing u can add will get u more HP on a FI engine then cams, other then a bigger turbo. U will see SOOOO much top end its rediculous" ????


cool, you wrench on evo's, sti's, and srt's. good job. they ALREADY come turbo'd, its like comparing apples to elephants. yea bigger cams will make 40hp on my brothers LS1. does that mean it will on an F22??
yes nick, yes it does lol.
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