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Sleeving?

OK, so i got the H23 now... which means I'll be building it for boost, not the f22 (that leaves me a lude to drive) I have heard you have to sleeve them... now do you buy sleeves, or is it something a machine shope does?
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Actually it's both. You buy sleeves and a machine shop puts them in.
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Re: Sleeving?

You dont need to sleeve **** bro.Not to familiar with H series but there is no reason why you would need to sleeve unless this is not a daily driver you should be able to run 5-9 pounds easily with right tune and stuff with no problems on a stock h23.Now if your going 15 and up and want it to last then Id go with a fully built block.Maybe few arp bolts,Crower or billet rods,wiseco or cp pistons low compresson 9:1 unless you want it dif for a h series,And darton sleeves?
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^^^do you know what FRM sleeves are.... anything over 10 on an H block is recommended forged internals.now if you want forged stuff then you have to resleeve the block b.c forged pistons will eat up the factory sleeves. there is one other option to releeving. mahl gold series...they are the only FRM forged pistons availible. buuutt they dont make them specific for the H23. now im sure if you called and paid extra they could make something b.c the only difference in the stroke between the h22 and h23 which i (think) is determined by the where the wrist pin is located on the piston itself. and thats how they make the stroke different. i think the rods are the same size... dont quote me on this. this is just from a rough research b.c i was looking into the mahl gold piston for my h23. the bore is the exact same for both
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if the arrows are to me Im use to B series motors and not to knowledged on H but im sure any DD with low boost can run a 100% stock motor.In his other thread it said he was running low boost Which is usually below 10 usually 5-8 so there should be no reason why he would need to spend the money to take a block apart and have it sleeved,new pistons,rods,bolts,everything.But like I said if this is some car that is going "High Boost" then I wouldnt touch the head for awhile and go directly to fully built block.
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yeah for low its ok but its just that H motors dont take to kindly to forged internals such as B and D series motors do. that why unless using the mahl gold pistons you have to resleeve to go forged
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well he said hes going to run low boost so id say dont touch the block as far as the sleeving part. Id save your money if your on low boost and just get a really good tune,s200 or s300,maybe build the head first then proceed over to the block when your ready to make some serious power and not so much the daily driver.
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Re: Sleeving?

^^^ this is also coming from a kid who was supposed to buy...ummm...5 different vehicles now? Which one are you on now...? The civic or the truck...?

Personally - I feel the H series motors do not take kindly to boost, even if it is low. I would re sleeve just because it's a H series motor and the cylinder bores are horrible. I know that I am gonna be re sleeving mine for sure, and I am going boost.
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Re: Sleeving?

you can boost on the stock block put it's recommended that you resleeve. majority of h22's that are boosted on the stock block don't last too long which is why it's recommended.
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Re: Sleeving?

^^^ Thank you

Boost + H series motor = re sleeved if you want the motor to last!!
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^^^ this is also coming from a kid who was supposed to buy...ummm...5 different vehicles now? Which one are you on now...? The civic or the truck...?

Personally - I feel the H series motors do not take kindly to boost, even if it is low. I would re sleeve just because it's a H series motor and the cylinder bores are horrible. I know that I am gonna be re sleeving mine for sure, and I am going boost.
how do you know how many cars he is supposed to be buying

im also curious as to what you mean by the cylinder bores are horrible. the stock ones????
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Uh whats that you moron get knowledge before you talk kaos I have a 95 teg ls and the h23 93 prelude si right now at broadway tyvm,!,, the other cars I was suppose to buy and the only one of them I truely backed out on way one other prelude all the other cars were pending to someone else or I got there and were horrible for the price.
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Ok guys be nice....
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Also if I am right did he not say he had an H23 not an h22.Hes running low ****ing boost and im sure its not a crazy turbo build.Low boost+stock motor+Good tune=Perfectly fine and he will not have problems hes not going to have to touch what your saying unless he increases which is true H series motors tend to **** up when they go turbo'd but I have not seen someone truely need the block all built up as a dd on low boost they just blew because no tune or ****ty tune.
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Ok guys be nice....
im nice im just curious where all this info came from haha


but also taking in consideration the compression ratio differences an h23 with the same boost say... 8 lbs should, (i said should) by theory. handle it better than an h22 but again every engine in different
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Also if I am right did he not say he had an H23 not an h22.Hes running low ****ing boost and im sure its not a crazy turbo build.Low boost+stock motor+Good tune=Perfectly fine and he will not have problems hes not going to have to touch what your saying unless he increases which is true H series motors tend to **** up when they go turbo'd but I have not seen someone truely need the block all built up as a dd on low boost they just blew because no tune or ****ty tune.
even though I said h22 it's still true for the h23's which I apologize for not making that clear in my first post. Tipically however, the h series on stock internals last about less than 25k miles which if it's your daily driver thats about 2 years with really really great maintainance. it's not like a LS b18 man. The h just doesn't hold up with boost.

Granted your statement is very true but more times than not they break real soon.
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im nice im just curious where all this info came from haha


but also taking in consideration the compression ratio differences an h23 with the same boost say... 8 lbs should, (i said should) by theory. handle it better than an h22 but again every engine in different

tell that to Nick "Neck" with his blown h23 turbo.... lol.....
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yes your are right I am very well used to B and D series motors and not as knowledged as most on H but im sure If he doesnt rush everything he can run 6-8 pounds of boost on a stock to minor modded h23 with a good tune.Put a damn s200 or s300 in there good injectors,New to used turbo with no shaft play or in and out shaft play,make sure everything is right and dont take anything cheap. If your going to put all the money into the car turbo'n at least do it right and make it worth your while
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tell that to Nick "Neck" with his blown h23 turbo.... lol.....
:caked:haha yeah well about that... thats why i just said in theory
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94 - im a little drunk right now, so what makes sense to me doesn't make sense to everyeone else, sorry... i wont try and explain it right now, lol, it just wont work!
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Re: Sleeving?

Get your self someone that tunes good pref the best person might not be cheap but your a moron if you dont.

Good fresh turbo build you can use typical crap thats been used but I wouldnt try using a used turbo and stuff unless they prove there no shaft play and you hear it running.Pref If I were to turbo my h23 which i Kind of want to do id go with an 18g greddy turbo those are my favorite.Quick spool and makes good power.

go with s200 or s300.Research on which injectors would go best with your build.

Try finding yourself a nice clutch package deal thing Exedy is what I would go with for price and quality.

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Re: Sleeving?

It's a bunch of IF's IF tuned right, IF not over 8 psi, IF IF IF IF IF.
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1.idk how much it would to have it sleeved but i know if ya blow the engine it would cost the same to have it fixed more then likely more tho.
2.It's a spear engine so you can take your time and do it right.
3. If the h22/h23 was good stock wouldn't neck still have one and not the F22
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well he said hes going to run low boost so id say dont touch the block as far as the sleeving part. Id save your money if your on low boost and just get a really good tune,s200 or s300,maybe build the head first then proceed over to the block when your ready to make some serious power and not so much the daily driver.
ya im going to run low boost, but the internals are already toast, so its all gettin towrn apart already... thanks for all the info you guys
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Re: Sleeving?

Now that I am in my right of mind - The H series motors have very thin sleeves, which is why boosting on stock sleeves on the H motors is not a good idea, they just get destroyed much quicker. If your internals are toast and your already gonna be taking the engine apart you should re sleeve your engine, especially if you plan on boosting it. Honestly, if you want your engine to last a long time, you will have to re sleeve it, it's just the way it is. And everyone is right, Neck would still have his BUT then he wouldn't have his lovely F22 if the H motors could handle boost better stock, haha
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well its not so much the thickness of the sleeves but the material they are made of.they are not your normal iron sleeves, like i said above they are FRM. the sleeves were NOT designed for any type of boost they are designed for reduced friction

here is what they are.

: First a fiber-based material in the shape of the cylinder sleeve is inserted into the die of the cylinder block. Liquid aluminum is then poured into the die and fuses with the fiber sleeves. Once the block is ready for it, the cylinder walls are machined to the desired bore dimension, leaving only 0.5mm of thickness to the fiber sleeves that cover the cylinder walls.
With the reinforcement the sleeves generate lower friction than traditional iron liners, which translates to improved revolutions, power and reduced wear. In addition the thinner fiber sleeves fortify the block, allowing the distance between adjacent bores to be reduced while maintaining strength and rigidity.
There are drawbacks, however. It can be argued that because they are so thin the sleeves were not designed for too much boost pressure


pretty much they are for easier, faster revs.great for N/A builds. they are also NO2 friendly
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^they also help you use a little oil, but that is okay!

if I was going to boost even 6lbs I would sleeve it.... do it right the first time and be done.
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LEAVE ME THE FUKC OUT OF THIS. MY H23 DID NOT BLOW BECAUSE H23'S ARE "BAD" FOR BOOST OR CUZ IT HAS "THIN" SLEEVES OR CUZ OF IT'S "HIGH/LOW" COMPRESSION.



go learn how engines work, how/why mine blew and what broke, and stop making uneducated assumptions about every engine due to one person cheaping out on a $30 part.
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But you need that scoop on the hood. Is it true that they're big enough to fit your lunch box and all your camera gear in it?
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