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Old 07-26-2008, 11:45 AM
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Age old boost topic, new questions.

Its time.

I have a great paying job, and I'm ready to start piecing together my motor. I know the old h22 vs f22 threads, but none of them really cover what I'm looking for, and yes I did search. I just purchased an engine stand, a lot of tools, some WD40, and a lot of yuengling. I'm ready for a project. This is not my first engine rebuild, but its my first rebuild that will be boosted.

I'm Not asking price. I know both will be expensive, and price is not a concern at the moment.

So where I'm at now and my questions:

1. I'm building the motor and head from the ground up. I'm definitely going with a turbo set up. As they stand, does the H22 have any real gains on the f22 if all internals are swapped out anyway? Block Vs Block, regardless of internals, will it make a difference? I know h22 has DOHC VTEC blah blah, but as far as the blocks go ...

2. If the H22 is the better way to go, would it make a difference if I went with JDM H22A, USDM H22A1, or the Type S?

3. This is a new experience, when I go to get the block machined/sleeved, do I tell them that I need it set to factory specs, but with sleeves? Or is sleeving something I can just do myself?

I appreciate all input here as this is something I'm not really familiar with.
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The best I can do for ya is to say that the F22 sleeves are WAAAY better for boost, you would have to re-sleeve the H22 for sure, especially if you plan on some high HP gains.

Overall, the F22 IMO is a better boosting engine, but me personally, I want to boost my H22, just because when I'm done with school, I will be able to do anything and everything to my car all on my own with very little outside help.

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yea i want to get another H22A soon...just to build for boost

yea f22a is better to boost stock ,but if ur gonna start building either motor i would rather have a DOHC VTEC H22
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None of my questions were really answered in detail. Someone help me out so I dont have to annoy nick
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Its time.

I have a great paying job, and I'm ready to start piecing together my motor. I know the old h22 vs f22 threads, but none of them really cover what I'm looking for, and yes I did search. I just purchased an engine stand, a lot of tools, some WD40, and a lot of yuengling. I'm ready for a project. This is not my first engine rebuild, but its my first rebuild that will be boosted.

I'm Not asking price. I know both will be expensive, and price is not a concern at the moment.

So where I'm at now and my questions:

1. I'm building the motor and head from the ground up. I'm definitely going with a turbo set up. As they stand, does the H22 have any real gains on the f22 if all internals are swapped out anyway? Block Vs Block, regardless of internals, will it make a difference? I know h22 has DOHC VTEC blah blah, but as far as the blocks go ...

2. If the H22 is the better way to go, would it make a difference if I went with JDM H22A, USDM H22A1, or the Type S?

3. This is a new experience, when I go to get the block machined/sleeved, do I tell them that I need it set to factory specs, but with sleeves? Or is sleeving something I can just do myself?

I appreciate all input here as this is something I'm not really familiar with.
answer one. I know the h22 has weak rings. stock for stock the f22 block is better for boost but if you are going to rebuild and sleeve then I'd go with h22 and over bore it a little and give it a little more displacement to help the turbo spool quicker.

answer two. If you don't already own a h22 then buy the cheapest one. If you are going to boost a stock h22 then the USDM one has the lowest compression out of all of them and it makes tuning a little less stressful. The type s has the highest compression at 11:1 and I DO NOT recommend boosting that motor. The type s is also the most expensive. The obdI h22 is a closed deck and the obdII ones are open deck. i.e. the type s is open deck. So go for a an obd1 usdm or jdm h22 block.

answer three. I'd let the machine shop do the sleeving. That's my opinion however and that's because they should know what they are doing. you'd tell them you want it to factory specs but with a little over bore depend on the pistons you'll use.

hope that answered it for you:drum:
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See thats the answers I was looking for.

Thank you very much. You have helped me 200%

Btw my engine stand got scrapped ... how gay is that

My questions got answered though

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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

1) if you're gonna rebuild, go w/ the h22. there are diffs in the crank, stroke.... the head will also flow alot better. imo, i wouldn't build the head. if anything, just do a port job.

2) if you're gonna rebuild for boost, there's no point in getting a type s except the lsd tranny. get wuts cheapest. i'd go for the usdm a1 for the closed deck.

3) u can't sleeve it yourself. i'd get 10:1 pistons. key is in the engine management and tune.
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

Well I decided on just going a1 and I was going to do some slight head work. nothing outrageous, but I want my car to kick me in the ass at WOT. I'm buying a pick up so this isn't going to be a DD any longer. And Port & Polish was the way I was going to go. I just dont like the idea of stock parts on a vehicle that I know will be run hard. I'd rather spend the money now, then have my car not move later and be FORCED to do it anyway.

I'll just go aftermarket for the LSD.

And I have yet to sleeve a block, but I've done rebuilds though. I have a friend of the family who is gona machine a block as soon as I pick it up. I just need to fix some rear end damage, do some small stuff for my girls birthday, then its all fair game from there.

I cant wait. Im gona be like a little kid at christmas
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

[QUOTE=Smok3y;170856]

And I have yet to sleeve a block, but I've done rebuilds though. QUOTE]


I work with a professional machinist and for re sleeving I would defintely find a shop that can do it, basically from what I asked they will have to bore the old sleeves out, then the new sleeves they will have to shrink them by freezing it, (liquid nitrogen, huge freezer) that should give you somewhere around .010 clearance and then you can drop them in. The new sleeves will expand when it starts to thaw out. I think thats the way its done. The guy I talked to said you can't press that out thats why they have to bore the old ones out.

Now I have a question going around where to find sleeves, I've heard Dalton, Eagle but no links. I'm trying to see which thread answers back first I am also building a H22 for boost, Just thought I would post up on yours and see how its going.
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

I got laid off so I guess you could say its goin shiitty.

I'm still going h22 and boostin, its just going to take a little bit longer than expected. I have my goals set, and I'm not straying away and half assing it because of money.

I'm still researching, but I found a great thread on HT for boosting an H22. I'm not home now, But I'll pm you the link when I get home. I'm going to kinda follow the guidelines (without going part for part with this guy) and maybe throw a couple things in there he didnt mention.

I'm still researching hondata vs crome vs neptune. This is all still new to me (as I used to work on old GM v8's) and I have to do some research before I start buying parts and all. Keep me posted on your build, and any new info.
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

sorry to hear about your bad luck bro, hope you get back to work soon!
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

thats cuz its darton and golden eagle.
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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

Yeah I finally got a link to Darton.

Yeah man sorry to hear about your job hope you find something quick.

Yeah I will post up once I start getting the stuff in and start breaking down the ol Lude. I am going over in the morning to borrow a car from my old man until I finish my Lude, I told him it is going to be a while.

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Re: Age old boost topic, new questions.

Dont forget about axles, a diff, and tires if you want to put any of that power to the ground.
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