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Speakers!

So for Christmas this year I think I'm going to ask for some speakers for my 94 lude (since the ones I have now have probably been in the car since 94). I replaced the rear speakers when I first started driving the car about a year ago so now it's time to bring the front speakers and tweeters up to date. I went to best buy and looked at their speakers and they charge $50 for their cheapest tweeters. Is that how much a speaker less than an inch in size cost? And for the front door speakers I want to get something nice (when I got the rear speakers I just got the cheapest ones because I didnt have much money) so any advice on some good but somewhat cheap speakers for my door would be appreciated.

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Re: Speakers!

Hit up crutchfield.com. They always have great prices. Best buy is usually a rip off, in my own experience for that kind of thing. And if you're a really savvy shopper you could find the speakers you want by browsing best buy or crutchfield, and then search the internet for the best deal. Often times you can find lightly used, or open box returns for much cheaper. Only thing is you have to make sure that the seller is a quality seller, such as checking the feedback of a seller on ebay ect.

But in general man, you gotta pay to play bro. A good set of components can run anywhere from 75 and up. Its just what are you willing to pay? You can find some cheap ass $50 components but they'll probably sound like poo. If you're willing to spend around 75 though you can find alot of really decent speakers. Not exactly super high quality, but not garbage either imo. Also, unless your tweeters are blown you probably don't need to replace them. Either that or find a set of components that have tweets with em.

good luck man, let us know if you have any questions. Oh, and this section of the forum has a ton of great threads, so if you havent already it might be worth it for you to browse the latest few pages of threads.
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Re: Speakers!

Would these even be worth a try?

2x SUPER POWER LOUD DOME SPEAKER TWEETER FOR CAR 500W - eBay (item 120655660769 end time Dec-04-10 10:11:03 PST)
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I can 100% guarantee those are more than likely, complete and utter crap.

Try brand names bro. Alpine, Pioneer, infinity, kenwood. Things like that. (but not Dual or Sony, they both generally suck ass.)...You should be able to find a set of speakers that come with tweets if you are still looking for both.
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Crutchfield is a good place to find something you like. Their prices are horrible. Sonicelectronix and AudioSavings have some good pricing.

Oh, and good doesn't ever come cheap.
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Re: Speakers!

So I've spent the last hour or so looking at speakers (thanks phantom for recommending some websites) and I kinda narrowed it down to two I guess. I can honestly say I know nothing about the specs of speakers so I just wanted to ask if it was worth the extra $30 between buying these speakers http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...r-DS650.2.html compared to these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...er-KS60.2.html.

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crossovers like filter frequencies so that the right sound range go the the best speaker to handle it, so high frequencies go to tweeters, and low frequencies go to the subs. mid range to mid range and so on. thats a very basic explanation though.
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Lol I don't have the money to get some nice Boston acoustics
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Re: Speakers!

Ok so now I have a different question (lol). I already have these Pioneer speakers (Pioneer TS-G1643R (tsg1643r) - 6-1/2" Speakers - Sonic Electronix) and it says that their RMS power handling is 30 watts. On the other hand the new Kicker speakers I hope to get (Kicker 08KS60.2 (08ks602) - 6-1/2" Component Speakers System - Sonic Electronix) have a RMS power handling of 75 watts. Is there a way for me to keep the Pioneer speakers lower than the Kickers so that I don"t end up blowing the Alpines?
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Re: Speakers!

I've had tweeters from WalMart ($20) in my Xterra for the past 5 years, and they still sound better than the Pioneer ones I had before that ($80).

As for the power handling of the Pioneers and Kickers you're looking at, you're not having them amped up, right? If not, you'll have to confirm the power output of your headunit, which if it's aftermarket, it's more than likely between 45W and 52W per channel. RMS will be the constant electrical input the speakers will be handling, so I generally try to get the RMS handling capabilities of the speakers as close to the max output of my headunit as I can, maybe a little less, and ensure the max on the speakers is at least twice the output of the stereo itself. Best way not to blow the speakers before their time.


EDIT: I should be more specific; There's CONTINUOUS RMS and PEAK RMS. Match the MAX output on your head unit with the CONTINUOUS RMS rating for the speakers.
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Re: Speakers!

Well this is the stereo I have --> Sony - 52W x 4 In-Dash CD Deck with MP3 Playback and Detachable Faceplate - CDXGT250MP
So how exactly would I match the max output on my head unit with the continuous RMS for my speakers?
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Those Kicker DS speakers are an entry level set, with the KS being higher up in the food chain. If you want components, your best bet is to amp them.
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Well this is the stereo I have --> Sony - 52W x 4 In-Dash CD Deck with MP3 Playback and Detachable Faceplate - CDXGT250MP
So how exactly would I match the max output on my head unit with the continuous RMS for my speakers?
Hey sweet I have that same CD player in my car, but with blue buttons! haha

Anyway, it's 52W MAX, 17W RMS being sent to 4 channels (speakers). Honestly that's enough power to make anything sound decent. The only reason you'd need to amplify your door speakers or rear deck speakers is if you're going deaf, want to go deaf, or just wanna say "Yeah, it goes that loud".

I'm confident you're over thinking it though. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars and buy speaker with power handling capabilities up the wazoo in order to have a good sounding system. Going strictly by your headunit alone, those Pioneers you're looking at would be perfect. They're similar to what I have in mine (Possibly exactly, I can send you picture of this stuff if you don't believe me lol). I put those Pioneers in my car because they've got no depth to them so they fit well in their respective compartments, and they sound crisp. The only problem with thin-walled speakers is their lack of flex = less bass. This is where you'd wanna consider a subwoofer, rather than relying on door speakers to handle all frequencies extremely well.
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Re: Speakers!

To answer your question specifically;

Your headunit (52Wx4 channels) has the capability to transfer a maximum of 52 watts to each speaker at any given time. It will continuously transfer 17 watts to each channel.

You'd want to install speakers that can handle at least 2x the headunit MAX, which in this case, you'd want to search for speakers that can handle a MAX of at least 120 watts.
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Re: Speakers!

So the speakers that I am looking to buy are to powerful for my current stereo? Like even with the Pioneers I already have it says that their RMS is 30 watts and since the stereo is only 17 watts the speakers are not being used all the way?

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You have a 4th Gen Prelude right? If so, now I'll reference the depth requirements that I'd mentioned. Sorry to post so much lol.

On your rear deck, there's bars in the trunk that run RIGHT beneath the speakers that will hinder your ability to fit speakers with large magnets back there. Take this into consideration when getting speakers for that location cuz if the magnet is too thick, they will not mount.
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Re: Speakers!

Yes I have a 4th gen, and I already have those Pioneer speakers that I mentioned earlier on the rear deck, I'm looking for door speakers because the drivers side speaker no longer works at all, and the tweeters and passenger side speakers suck.

But since the stereo I have now has a max of 52 watts, and the speakers I was looking to get for Christmas has a constant power handling of 75 watts does that mean it would be pointless for me to get these since my stereo would be only capable of delivering around half of the possible watts?

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Oh okay my bad. I'm doing this on my phone so I apologize for not reading thoroughly.

If you don't like the ones in the rear deck, that's a bummer cuz it's hard to find good speakers with such a shallow mounting depth. But it won't hinder anything if you choose to mix and match between the doors and the rear deck as long as you stick by the rule of thumb to install speakers with twice the MAX power capacity of the headunit's MAX. I have the same speakers in all 4 spots, but if you don't have a subwoofer and can find some for your doors that have a little more flex, you'll be more satisfied with the sound of them.

Between those two Kicker links you posted, that first set would be more than enough and I'm sure it will sound great. The second set for $30 more wouldn't be worth it.
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Re: Speakers!

I plan on keeping the Pioneer speakers in the back, they are working just fine. So now I guess I have learned that the speakers I originally wanted are more powerful than my stereo? Right? So I guess I go a step down in the Kicker speakers and get the Kicker DS 650's?
Should I have an amp?
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Unless you're going to be hooking up an amplifier to the door/deck speakers, you won't notice any difference between the two kickers you listed. If you're truly planning on going that route with those speakers, you will not want to buy either one of these sets of speakers.
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Re: Speakers!

I have some shallow mount Polk speakers in my rear deck, and they sound pretty good. As far as headunits giving sufficient power to make "anything sound decent", that's a load of bull. First, Sony is a second rate company as far as car audio goes, and aren't renowned for their superb sound quality. That being said, the tiny, inefficient amplifier in your radio isn't putting out as pure of a signal as an external amplifier can. Also, I don't know much about that particular model, but every Sony I've dealt with didn't have an internal crossover to keep sub-bass frequencies from being sent to your door/deck speakers. An external amplifier will have crossovers built into them.

Even at normal listening volumes, external amplifiers are far superior to the internal units on radios. Period.

And also, distortion kills speakers faster than overpowering them.
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What do you mean by distortion?
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Square waves, clipped signals.
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So what's being said is that I need an amp even for my low quality speakers?
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What do you mean by distortion?
With regards to this topic, distortion occurs when all frequencies of sound are forced through a speaker that's not technically designed to handle them all simultaneously (High frequencies like snares, and low frequencies like a bass drum). Just like if you turn the volume up to the max-it sounds like crap with a basic audio system. Those Kickers you're looking at have a crossover with them that will help prevent this to a certain extent.

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Just a random question, what kind of amp would I need to hook all of my speakers up. Like could I hook up a sub and my door/rear speakers and the tweeters too I guess.

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Just a random question, what kind of amp would I need to hook all of my speakers up. Like could I hook up a sub and my door/rear speakers and the tweeters too I guess.
There's different types of amplifiers; Mono (1-channel), 2-channel, and 4-channel amps. 1 and 2 channels amps are most commonly used for subs, 4-channels are most commonly used for speakers. I'll answer your PM when I'm back home on my computer :)

Keep in mind, the word 'channel' can be substituted with the word 'speaker', because that's basically what it's referring to- how many peripheral components can be connected to it. Generally, you'd want a separate amplifier between your subs and other speakers.
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So just roaming websites I found these Kicker subwoofers that are 6 1/2". Would I be able to put that in my door and have it work as a good subwoofer? Or would I need an amp for this to work effectively?
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When shopping for speakers for your door, you have to take into consideration how you want it to sound. Then you have to look for speakers that produce that kind of sound. Obviously, there's different types of speakers so that you can customize and configure things how you want them.

There's 2-way, 3-way, and 4-way speakers, etc. Just like amplifiers splitting the signals into channels, speakers can do this with frequencies. On your headunit, you've undoubtedly messed with the EQ and come across settings for Low, Mid, and High. For the sake of simplicity I'll use 3-way speakers in my explanation;

In this pic you can clearly see the 3 separate cones, each designed to produce it's own specified sound frequency.

As you can imagine, if you have a 4-way speaker, sound clarity is increased because the speaker provides additional 'channels' for sound output along the sound frequency range. On the same token, a 2-way speaker condenses the frequencies and only allows 2 methods of output, so while not SIGNIFICANTLY decreasing the sound quality in stepping from a 4-way to a 3-way, or from a 3-way to a 2-way, there is usually some noticeable sound quality difference.

Now, a subwoofer is designed for one thing-bass-low frequency. If you put one of those in the door, you're not gonna have the sound quality I think you're looking for. Granted, you're gonna have the tweeters up top, but again, you're only getting the extremely high frequency outta those, nothing else, and while I've never heard a setup like that, I imagine it'll sound kinda tinny, if that makes sense.

Ultimately it's up to you. Don't stop asking questions if you're wondering about anything else!
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