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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

yeaaa why isnt there an intercooler???
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

Best Prelude? That's in the eye of the beholder but I have to say, clean car. The work put into it is obvious and it appears to have also been done right, which is what really matters.

But I'm just going to go ahead and say this.
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

Haha, I could care less about the rivalries of military organizations, I just respect them all of course and know we're all good at our own jobs. But thanks again for the nice compliments, they're much appreciated.

As for the intercooler idea, it's been an age old discussion among fellow supercharger owners. The short answer is there is no possible way to mount an intercooler on this setup. Has it been done before with other Roots-type superchargers on different cars? Yes. It is a air-to-water sandwhich plate that goes between the rotors and intake ports basically. But the way the supercharger is placed in the engine bay, there is no room to run a setup like this, so it's never been tried.

However, the far better and tested way is to do methanol injection. Not only does it raise your "octane" level (to prevent detonation) but tests have shown that the thin mist coming in before the supercharger rotors actually acts as a "sealer" between the spinning rotors, and therefore will give you about 1psi more of boost.



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wow awesome! cant wait to see it with retros
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Haha, I could care less about the rivalries of military organizations, I just respect them all of course and know we're all good at our own jobs. But thanks again for the nice compliments, they're much appreciated.

As for the intercooler idea, it's been an age old discussion among fellow supercharger owners. The short answer is there is no possible way to mount an intercooler on this setup. Has it been done before with other Roots-type superchargers on different cars? Yes. It is a air-to-water sandwhich plate that goes between the rotors and intake ports basically. But the way the supercharger is placed in the engine bay, there is no room to run a setup like this, so it's never been tried.

However, the far better and tested way is to do methanol injection. Not only does it raise your "octane" level (to prevent detonation) but tests have shown that the thin mist coming in before the supercharger rotors actually acts as a "sealer" between the spinning rotors, and therefore will give you about 1psi more of boost.



I'll be posting more soon, take care everybody!
Haha, true dat. You know us Marines are generally cocky bastards anyway.
But you're right, all the branches are important in their own right, although I wouldn't be caught dead wearing an ice cream man costume, riding a boat 9 months out of the year.

Water/meth is a very good set-up. deafy h as been preaching to me for months now about putting it on his turbo Lude but that just got put back due to a broken exhaust stud.

When is the new front bumper and sides going on?
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

That's the part I'll be busting my ass on this weekend... I have one of the side skirts already sanded, prepped, primered and sprayed with the base coat. Tonight will be the midcoat (see: pearl) and after I spray that, it'll start to dry while I start on the other side and the new eyelids.

As for the front bumper, all lights have been taken off and everything is sanded down to the factory primer, but since it was in such terrible condition, I need to fill in alot of the gouges along the surface with a special filler I bought made especially for the plastic found on these bumpers. Then it'll require shaping to be just right, then you'll see the front lip that's on the car right now get the same treatment when I take it off and then the whole thing will get back on.

The only thing stopping me is I'm waiting for the switch/harness to arrive for my new JDM bumper pole I just got. The switch will take the place of my "cruise control" button because I don't have cruise anymore.

Then, when I have my weekend free (or hopefully one good long day), I'll be taking the original front bumper off, taking the headlights out, dremeling into the stock fenders to put the JDM/EDM turn signals on them and wiring them up, then hooking up the retros, then putting the bumper on. That's pretty much the order I want at this time.

Somewhere in there, I'll be repainting the whole trunk (but in a much more cost-effective white enamel paint) and also taking the WWRS rear lip off and re-doing that.

My goal is to have this done by at least the third weekend in March, so pictures will be coming soon!
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

wow! that was a long but very interesting story your lude is unreal, i'm insanely jealous at the minute but welcome to the site
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Hey, why did all of my posts get consolidated? :-(
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

I've read about you...and still have the same opinion.

You've shown thie car a lot of love, and done many things that most of us will only ever dream about. And you've done everything imaginable - I've seen concourse level show cars with less work than you've done. And while the whoring of all the rare JDM parts is a disease I know a little about, I baulked at the cost involved with the door sills. Regardless of what anybody thinks, you can't go past the fact that they look great, and are exceedingly rare. Whether or not I (or anybody else for that matter) thinks the cost of them is too much is irrelivant.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is congrats on all the work, and i can't wait to see what happens next. Do you plan on tracking the car sometime? It'd be great to see how it goes!
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

Well thank you, that was probably one of the most sincere comments I've heard. I can't stop the others from the other forums from fighting with me about things I've done and parts I've bought, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But when people meet me in real life, I'm a down to earth guy who will talk cars all day long. I will also give you every last piece of advice and bit of knowledge I have about something and won't blow anybody off. To be frank about my passion for cars, I am the only one from my family and group of friends that I know who will go out and buy the Consumer Guides 200_ Review Book and love every page of it.

This car does have its flaws, but if some of you might have noticed, I'm in the "polishing and finishing" phase of the car where I'd just like to tie all loose ends together. I am buying replacement OEM parts for the ones that are worn out and I'm cleaning up the looks of things that I have yet to do. My goal is to have this car 100% reliable and enjoyable for the trip back to Ohio that I'll inevitably have to make late this year.

I would love to take this car to the track, be it drag or circuit, but I always stop myself short of this because I feel as if I don't have everything I could have done to prepare for it, haha. But as with the dyno, I will let everyone know every last spec. of information that I gather in an attempt to let others know the way they can go too.

Feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions, as I've already had a few people send me some!
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That's crazy man!!! Congrats, nicely done!
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welcome to PZ. i'm beginning to see you everywhere lol. remember to hollar if you ever come out to north california
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So I got home from work tonight too late to start making good on my other sideskirt, and I'm going to have to save that piece for the morning. However, I did decide to post up the pictures to let you see what I've been doing thus far.

The first step I took is prepping the bumper. It is in pretty awful condition but the only good part is that there are no cracks anywhere on it. It just has some deep gouges that I will attempt to fill in.

So the first step is to take all the hardware off. As most of you have done in the past, the turn signals are taken off through a single screw that is accessible through the front grill. Once it is off, it leaves the JDM fog light exposed. Nevermind where the drill bit is on this screw in this picture, that's the adjustment part of it, you only need to remove the other two screws to take it out.





Now I'm taking out the cornering lights. and all 4 screws that hold it against the bumper






I bought these cheapie saw horses at Home Depot, but I'm not actually sawing wood, so I just got the basic ones.



I used the 60 grit sandpaper block for starters


This is ideally what you want, take off the paint in the areas the scratches are the cheapest, but leave on the paint in other areas, it'll act like a primer surface.






So, realizing that I should first focus my skills on the side skirts because that front bumper is a bigger beast to tackle than I thought, I set about last night destroying them, haha


First, we see a perfectly prepared Electron Blue Pearl Side Skirt from HandA





I am not going to start out with the coarse sandpaper, because the paint on this is already existing and there are no dings. So what I did do is elect to go with a 100 grit to get that clearcoat off, then I went with a 320 grit because that is recommended before the paint/primer goes on.





scuffed up surface before the cleaning begins:




Now according to all instructions, before you do any paint or any kind of layering, you need to make sure the surface is absolutely free of foreign debris. This is a monumental task in the outdoors, as you see I'm doing, but hey, when you don't have access to a paint booth, you take your chances. Luckily, there was no wind that day.

First, give it a thorough washing to remove everything large and visible and all the sanding dust




Next, find the kind of wipes that promise to get rid of dirt, grease, oil, and whatnot.





When I took the package out of the pouch, it felt like it had no moisture on it. I was initially like "WTF" but as I rubbed it on, it left behind a layer of what I can only describe as that of "lighter fluid" where it stays a liquid for a little bit before evaporating.




Now the directions say, while it is still in its liquid form, to rub it off with a lint free cloth. Here I am using one of those microfiber cloths...




Now to add a layer of adhesion promoter. The surface, with the paint still attached, is acting like a primer in my opinion, so I began after two coats of this (one light, one wet, like the directions said).




It leaves behind a finish on the paint/primer that I can only describe as "satiny"






Then the basecoat comes next. I've never been good at this, but I tried a new technique... I started at one end, holding the can about 10 to 12 inches away and made one swipe, careful to not go too slow or fast...




But I kept doing it for well over 30 minutes (i lost track) where I'd do my one line of spray and wait for a minute, then do another and this picture shows my result as I was getting really close. I think I did 2 more coats after this one:




Now I don't know if you'll be able to see it when this picture gets put up, but look at the very top of the white where it meets the black night backdrop. If you look closely, you'll see why it sucks to paint outdoors, mainly, you get little pieces of anything floating in the air that will stick on the paint. Right here you see a little bit of fuzz here and there



Now I was pissed off and I didn't think I had a solution to it... that is until I came inside, sat down and thought about it. Then I remembered I had bought these!





What that is is "Cheesecloth" or tack rags to everyone else. It is basically a material with a coating on it that will pick up absolutely everything it touches. So I put it to the ultimate test, which was waiting for 3 hours until I was fairly sure the paint was dry enough that I could blot it and lightly skim the surface. Much to my amazement, it picked up EVERY SINGLE PIECE of lint and stuff off the surface of the paint, without leaving any evidence it was on top of the paint! I was astounded! So now this one sideskirt has had a full 24 hours to cure and is dust free and it's been calling my name to receive the pearl topcoat followed by the clearcoat.

More on that later!

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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

I'm not sure if you saw this or not from page 1, so I thought I'd ask again. :)

I also found pictures of my brake kit with the 15x7 Team Dynamics PR1 wheels:



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First off, thanks for serving our country. I only did 6 years in the National Guard and never went into active duty. I admire people with the guts to serve our country overseas. Well done sir.

Why doesn't your ABS work? I read through it, but I must have missed it because I didn't see anything where you explained that part. I have a 6 piston Wilwood setup on my track car, and I haven't noticed any real problems with ABS, except that my rear pads seem to be too aggressive! I'm planning to upgrade to a larger rotor and larger caliper. My current setup uses an 11.75 x 0.81" two piece rotor. You can see it a bit in this picture:


The wheel is a 17x8.5 Enkei RPF1, +40mm offset. No spacer. TONS of clearance. You can see the spoke design has a lot to do with the amount of clearance:


This kit even fits with a 15x7, +40mm, Pro Race 1 wheel. I'll find some pictures tonight.

What might help is to use a caliper with a narrow body like mine:


Yours appear to be a bit wider, but I can't tell for sure.

If anyone is interested in this brake kit, let me know. I'm planning to sell it once I upgrade. :)
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This isn't much, but it was a mod I took the 10 minutes to do this weekend... It was mainly the scraping of glass out that took the longest, haha.

I got those blue tinted mirrors months ago and never got a chance to put them on. I read the directions and then I lost them in the mix. I completely couldn't figure out how to take the damn mirror piece off, but I remembered somebody saying they just broke their's, soooo....



























And you're done! haha. I guess it slipped my mind to take a picture of the side view of the car with the windows... oh well, i'll post them tomorrow!



By the way, they are more convexed than stock mirrors, which means you will see a whole lot more of the road, but they take a few days to get used to while you drive!
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71dsp, I like your caliper and wheel setup very much. It is race proven and aggressive and that's what makes it cool. I also know that my calipers, regardless of being thicker or thinner (as I do not know yet) are a tougher squeeze to get to work because the rotor moves them so far out to the wheel. This is basically why i think it's tougher to find a wheel for it, because with any wheel and their spoke, the spoke tends to come back in towards the center of the wheel as it gets closer to the edge of the rim itself.

But now that I found the setup I like with these wheels, and everything fits, I'm a happy camper. Granted, 6 piston calipers are gangsta as hell, but my 4 piston are all I need for now.

Best of luck selling them! It's truly an awesome thing to find a tried-and-true big brake kit for the prelude, and the wheels to fit!
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I need to order some new rotors, but I'm trying to fit a 13.06" x 1.25" rotor under these 17s. I have the hat (12x8.75") that'll work, but I need to get a rotor and the proper caliper to do the mock up. If my Solidworks drawings are correct, it should fit just fine. I did a profile of the caliper and rotor, cut it out, and placed it in the wheel. Very close, but it does clear just fine.
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On Wednesday morning, I was driving back home and I was doing nothing unusual, just cruising down the road when out of nowhere, all of my warning lights come on and the car just turns off. So I coasted into a gas station that just happened to be there and I tried to turn it back on. The engine was cranking and the car had power, but the engine never turned over.

I got out and opened the hood and looked around, nothing looked out of the ordinary, no smells or anything, i looked under the car and there was no evidence of any fluids leaking. I was stupified at what was wrong.

So yet again... I had to get a tow truck, and here is the familiar picture of my life...





Before the towtruck took it, I noticed that there were some wires that looked out of place and kind of dangling near the drivers side CV joint on the axle. I made note of it and told it to the shop I took it to.

Well, they couldn't diagnose the problem immediately. They tried testing the distributor coil, that was fine, they checked the igniter, that was fine, all wires, spark plugs and distributor cap were okay too. They all were functional but there was still no spark.

Today they finally got their big break and noticed that the wires I had noticed were apparently to the Crankshaft Position Sensor at the bottom of the block on the timing belt side. The wires I saw were a mixture of my oil temperature DEFI gauge line and the Crankshaft Sensor's female adapter, which was just dangling there. The wire must have gotten snagged into the CV boot or the axle or something because as soon as it caught, it ripped the line off the sensor and the male end off of the female end. Along the way to the shop, it must have fallen off as the tow truck was hitting bumps, that's why they could find no evidence of what the problem was.

And since the car shop isn't open on the weekend, they will have to wait until Monday to either attempt to fix the wires or order a replacement piece or find one around town.

This sucks!
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Old 02-28-2009, 12:17 AM
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

Oh yeah, and so I don't leave this one out, this is when my clutch pedal sank to the floor and the slave cylinder crapped out on me back in August. That was a fun day of watching the car get towed too, haha






Total count of times the car has been pictured being towed on this thread: 4!
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your car is bad ass!!!
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Yea, your car is really nice I like it a whole lot.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:11 AM
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

With my car still in the shop this weekend, I figured it was perfect time to continue my painting project and now I finally have something tangible to show you all.

Refer to the previous posts of how I prepped and painted the sideskirts and eyelids so far, because today is the day I finally added clearcoat.

The clearcoat you see was purchased from Paintscratch.com, which I also purchased everything else from. Up to this point, these items have been sanded down with progressively finer grits of sandpaper, cleaned with paint prep wipes, sprayd with adhesion promoter, sprayed with a basecoat (white) followed by a midcoat 24 hours later (pearl) and now will be topped with the clearcoat pictured below. FYI, I am using catalyzed clearcoat which you have to push in the pin at the bottom of the can to activate the catalyzing agent that will effectively harden your clearcoat to the same level that normal automotive clearcoats harden.






But this clearcoat came with warnings from the website and on the can about the necessity to use proper ventilation masks, but even though I'm painting outside in open elements, I still abided by this. Please, always protect yourself!




The sideskirts have been wiped down one final time with a cheesecloth/tac cloth to ensure all little bits of debris on the surface are removed.
And the skirts and eyelids are sprayed. The effect is still a tacky surface when this picture was taken, but a full can of clearcoat was used on the sideskirts and eyelids.




The next pictures will demonstrate the kind of shine you will get from using this product. I am EXTREMELY satisfied with the results it gave. It's smooth, glossy, and hard after 9 hours of finishing spraying them (probably could've been sooner, but this is the first time I've handled them).









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I figured that I would also post up a couple pictures of the painfully-slow progress I've made on my front bumper. If you haven't seen it already, I made a post on the JDM bumper pole install I'm trying to do, so check it out here:

Need some help installing the JDM Bumper Pole


The bumper is has to have all dings and scratches filled in, because there is simply no other way to paint it without looking like crap. Using a flexible bumper repair filler (found at any auto parts store) is the best method, but it's time consuming and the results aren't always 100% on the first try, here's an example:


The bumper repair filler is "spatula-ed" on and left to dry.



Then it's sanded down progressively, I've been using 5" sanding discs on my Dewalt Power Drill (thank you Megan:))




But not everything turns out rosey... sometimes air bubbles get in between the filler and the bumper, and I can only find out when i sand it down. This is a setback, and it adds more time onto this long process

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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

WOW im speechless........
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i'm very impressed with all the work you've done on you're lude! but ya, filler can be a b**** at times!
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The bumper preparation is complete...


After 2 cans of primer, and two "bumper repair kits" (see: fancy-pants JB Weld) The bumper is now prepared for the base coat of paint. Unfortunately, at almost midnight, it is now time to call it a night. Fortunately, with daylight savings in the past, I now will probably have a decent amount of sunlight to come home tomorrow and lay down a good base coat. My ultimate goal of putting the bumper on the car this weekend coming up is a daunting task, but I will try everything in my power to prepare it as much as I can. This includes, basecoat, pearl coat, clearcoat, lights, wiring harness and then trying to get it all together in two days this weekend along with JDM sidemarkers and the new Depo headlights with TSX retrofits. It's certainly going to be a busy time!


By the way, as a lesson on something I've learned, when there are tiny holes that you've missed, yet show up with a fresh coat of primer, it's best to spray primer heavily over that area repeatedly in order to build it up and then sand it down when it dries (make sure to wait at least an hour, like I found out). The best technique for this kind of sanding is to just take sandpaper in hand (I did 180 grit followed by 220 grit when i ran out of the former) and do fast, light swipes using two or three fingers. If I pressed too hard down, it might scuff up the surface by taking all the filler out of the hole or scratch. After sanding an area, I ran my fingers along it to ensure a smooth, flat area was present.

Enjoy the not-so-interesting pictures of the bumper before I complete the task that I didn't think could ever be completed... the ultimate JDM front bumper!









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Thanks for the post.
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Re: The Best Prelude in the World

That is one AWESOME ass prelude.. yep.. ill give it best i've seen.
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It's hard to believe, but it finally happened....











At least I could claim it's the best prelude in the world over 240,000 miles?
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