16.9???

[snakerb]

:confused: My V-TEC was unplugged and I was running low 18's and high 17's on the track till I figured out that's what the problem was. After I got it plugged back in I was running high 16's and i know that's not what I should be running. I'm thinking there might be a million other reasons why but not sure of any. Here's what i got to offer; DC headers, flowmaster-highflow cat, full stainless steel cat back, ebay CAI with K&N filter, auto tranny with SS, 18 inch wheels ( :frown: ). What could it be anyone got some ideas? The motor is pretty much stock (for now) by the way.

[yogi_pahl]

That seems about wear you need to be. All the thing you have done don't do to much. H22s the DC is a stock replacement just looks better. Did u use the SS or have it in the D? If you had it in the SS wear did you shift at on all the gears.

[snakerb]

I used the SS, was shifting at 8k, barely got to use 4th gear.

[yogi_pahl]

I shifted at 7500 but was to scared to push it past the red line on the gauge. If u hit 8k ever time and never hit the rev limiter the you shifted great. So i would say it's wear it should be. when ppl say high 15's low 16's i think they mean with a manual. the auto will be a lil slower b/c of the take off.

[98vtec]

1. auto
2. 18's
3. there is no way you got to 4th by the end of the track.

[snakerb]

I was past the end of the track already when I hit 4th, didn't need it by then but I used it anyways for giggles lol. i know the 18's slow me down and then the auto sucks at takeoff but wasn't sure what exactly my time should be.

[yogi_pahl]

well as long as u did it all right that is the right time.

[98vtec]

depends on many conditions.

elevation
humidity
air density
track prep
etc

[yogi_pahl]

depends on many conditions.

elevation
humidity
air density
track prep
etc

yep that to even what tires you have and psi lot and lots of thing that can each shave a lil off.

[Brash22]

The auto is the main issue. First gear is taller than most pro basketball players, and second isn't much better. Damn moonshine gearing.

Those numbers are about where you'll be without doing a SS --> 5spd swap.

[99PreludeSh]

Why not get some dubs man sheesh! lol im kidding.

Yeah the auto trans and 18s dont help out much. Lose the 18s swap to manual and youd be good!

[snakerb]

Believe me I want to do that almost as much I wanna do Eva mendez. I just need the money and the parts.

[99PreludeSh]

I have stock Sh wheels! That would be a start!

[snakerb]

I kinda like my rims for the looks, but if I'm gonna run it again, I won't run them.

[Brusly BB4]

16.9 was what my auto H23 ran the first time at the track with just and intake and whatever fartcan came with the car. Those 18s must be HEAVY. Are you sure vtec kicked in yo?

[snakerb]

Yeah, V-tec kicked in and those rims are like 22lbs or something around that wieght.

[94ludeguy]

the rims will make the most difference... as long as vtec is kickin in. yes u can get a tire that is not as tall but it still makes some difference.

[snakerb]

I got the stock wheels here at home, just too lazy to put on, takr off, take off, put on....... I think you get it, lol

[yogi_pahl]

got to a tire shop a lot of them will do it for you for like $5-$10 bucks. That what my friend does with his car when he does to the track. Has a nice set of 17's but stock with a nice track tire.

[snakerb]

ANy idea if I could maybe get street slicks for the stocks???

[94ludeguy]

yeah u can get drag radials that will fit ur stock rims...it will be better anyways for traction reasons b.c u will have alot more tread on the ground...thin tires dont allow the tire to grab the road very well..

[98vtec]

yeah u can get drag radials that will fit ur stock rims...it will be better anyways for traction reasons b.c u will have alot more tread on the ground...thin tires dont allow the tire to grab the road very well..

tires really arent his problem. he could run nice street tires on the stock wheels and never run into traction problems. His downfall is not being able to rev the engine off the line.

[94ludeguy]

he can just press tha gas lol jk your meaning he doesnt have enough power to get that much wheel turning right?

[Smok3y]

he can just press tha gas lol jk your meaning he doesnt have enough power to get that much wheel turning right?

what he means, is b/c he has an automatic, he can't launch his car. And the rims certainly are not helping.

If you want good looking rims to go racing with ... I recommend OZ racing.
really light weight, and they look incredible.
(I have a set on my car, but they are more of a stock replica look)

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/oz.shtml
Go check those out.

[Brusly BB4]

what he means, is b/c he has an automatic, he can't launch his car. And the rims certainly are not helping.

If you want good looking rims to go racing with ... I recommend OZ racing.
really light weight, and they look incredible.
(I have a set on my car, but they are more of a stock replica look)

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/oz.shtml
Go check those out.




He could always break with one foot and hold revs with the other, not exactly "launching" but yeah. And it's not just the weight of the wheels, its how wide they are. Even if the 18s were only say 15lbs the weight of them would still be spread further out making it harder for your car to rotate them.

The more you know. :idea:

[Si Speed]

What's your 60' and reaction time?

[94ludeguy]

ohhhh its an auto i guess i over read that

[snakerb]

I brake and gas to bring up my rpm for launch but hey, it's an auto, tall that is lost as soon as I let go of the brake. My reaction time still needs a little work though, I lauunch on the last yellow, need to launch on the one b4 that. What's the highest I can take the rpm's now that my v-tec is working again??? One more thing, I don't race this all the time, just now and then to get rid off the boredom brought on by this place, lol.

[Si Speed]

I launch at 6K but you'll probably be burning out if you try that in your auto.

[snakerb]

6K huh? I need to try that out next time. How many rpm's do you shift at?

[Si Speed]

7900 .

[snakerb]

So I take it 8k is pushing it then???

[BadMofo]

Yeah, V-tec kicked in and those rims are like 22lbs or something around that wieght.

22 pounds isn't actually too too bad...

The stock SH rims are right around there I believe... a little less but not too much...

The size of the rims is what is hurting in your situation...

It takes more to get a larger wheel rolling up to speed than it does a smaller wheel.

Edit: Stock SH wheels are 19.7 pounds
Stock base wheels are 19 pounds (which surprises me... they seem like they have more material than the SH's)
4th gen vtec wheels are 22.5 pounds

So your rims aren't super heavy, just a bit large for racing.

And yeah, the auto kills it =(.

[Smok3y]

AUTO NEUTRAL BOMBS FTW!!!
(I'm just kidding dont neutral bomb your car)

[BadMofo]

Lol true that... neutral drops are fun until it stops being a neutral drop and becomes a transmission drop lol

[snakerb]

Lol true that... neutral drops are fun until it stops being a neutral drop and becomes a transmission drop lol

:biggrin: Funny thing, I've tried that before but I figured that wasn't too good for the tranny :idea: and stopped

[99PreludeSh]

I shift about 3500rpms...but just like to sit there and spin too much so I have to baby it a lot off the line.

[BadMofo]

I shift about 3500rpms...but just like to sit there and spin too much so I have to baby it a lot off the line.

I shift at 3500 when I'm going to the grocery store.....

;-)

[snakerb]

I shift at 3500 when I'm going to the grocery store.....

;-)

:biggrin: hahaha

[99PreludeSh]

I meant launch my gosh what the heck is wrong with me sheesh im slackin these past couple of weeks.

But I normally shift about 8 or 8200...and please dont tell me thats bad for my car cause I wont listen. Havent had any problems since and im doin just grand!

[Brash22]

I'd be worried if you were shifting at 8 or 8.2K, since the rev limit is 7750RPM IIRC. However the factory tach isn't the most accurate instrument in the world, so you're about right.

[99PreludeSh]

but if you have supporting mods its ok hehe

[Si Speed]

So I take it 8k is pushing it then???

Well, I know there's no point in it in a manual stock 5th gen due to the powerband. There's no extra power past that point so why go there? I can shift and stay in VTEC at 7900. Some people might not be able to so it's better for them to push it a little futher, but that's them.

Your automatic has 4 gears that are longer than... I can't think of a non-sexual metaphor.

But the gears are long, so you'll fall out of VTEC anyway as long as you stay with the sh!t-o-matic.

Best thing to do is just try different things and see what fits your style better. Blake launches at 8000 iirc correctly, and that won't do anything at all for me and my set-up except kill my already dead clutch and roast some rubber. Just keep a close eye on oil levels when using a lot of VTEC.

[snakerb]

^^^ best advice I've heard so far, thanks E and everyone else. Now I need to get a manual, lol....

[LudeLove99]

on the h22 is it after 7900 where it loses its powerband on stock motor?

[99PreludeSh]

on the h22 is it after 7900 where it loses its powerband on stock motor?

STOCK motor YES....hence why I shift at a higher RPM.

[98vtec]

the actual rev limiter is 7700. The stock tach will read it as 8000.

and yes, i launched at 8000.....but i have slicks and proper engine management. I also revved the stock motor out to 8500 on the tach while racing ;). Dont do what i do.

[Si Speed]

Please don't do what Blake does, lol.
Like I said, his stuff isn't what mine is.
He's right, the tach reads higher than the actual RPM although I've heard different amounts so I really don't know exactly how much higher, but to make it simple, I shift at 7900 according to the tach.

[dubbs.]

Unless it's built to make power up there (and many of the people are ARE making power up there), taking an H22 up to 8k won't do anything helpful.

Stock Honda tachs are notoriously inaccurate in higher revs anyway.

[DK1090]

I am new at this whole manual driving concept so bear with me. If I launch at 6,000 do I just let off the clutch easy or slam my foot off of it? And then won't that cause me to burn out?

[BadMofo]

If you drop the clutch (just pull your foot all the way off it at full rev), then yes you will most definititely spin wheels... You want to "feather" your foot off of the clutch... find a happy medium between taking it off too fast and causing wheelspin, and taking it off too slow and slipping and wearing down your clutch disc...

[98vtec]

Unless it's built to make power up there (and many of the people are ARE making power up there), taking an H22 up to 8k won't do anything helpful.

Stock Honda tachs are notoriously inaccurate in higher revs anyway.

at the drag strip, it helps to rev a little higher even when it doesnt make power so you keep up momentum going into the next gear.

[DK1090]

If you drop the clutch (just pull your foot all the way off it at full rev), then yes you will most definititely spin wheels... You want to "feather" your foot off of the clutch... find a happy medium between taking it off too fast and causing wheelspin, and taking it off too slow and slipping and wearing down your clutch disc...

Hey, thanks man.