my expected turbo setup:...

[twokexlv6coupe]

i saw jdm bb6 whining that there's no action in here :p , so i figured i would post the setup i'm looking at:

- T3/TO4E 57 trim .63 a/r
- hermsfab log manifold
- tial 38mm wastegate with 7psi spring
- tial 50mm BOV
- 440cc injectors
- stealthmode performance oil line kit
- a no name 28x6.5x3 intercooler
- a generic piping kit
- chipped and socketed crome ECU
- 3" downpipe
- walbro 255lph fuel pump
- blox boost gauge

anything i'm missing??


if i just wanna stay @ 7psi for awhile, i dont need a boost controller, correct?
and is a vaccuum manifold necessary?

[twokexlv6coupe]

and i have an apex'i WS2 exhaust right now which is only like 2.3" diameter, so my exhaust will DEF be the bottle neck.
a diff exhaust would prolly be last.

[Attaus]

Sounds like a good setup man. :tup:

No, you don't need a boost controller (because of the 7psi spring).

Yes, your exhaust will hurt the output a little. My recommendation would be to (down the road) get some 2.75" piping with a HKS carbon Ti muffler. Badass setup right there.

PS- H22 or H23?

[bard329]

Sounds like a good setup man. :tup:

No, you don't need a boost controller (because of the 7psi spring).

Yes, your exhaust will hurt the output a little. My recommendation would be to (down the road) get some 2.75" piping with a HKS carbon Ti muffler. Badass setup right there.

PS- H22 or H23?

you might wanna make sure you clutch can hold it... thats the problem i'm having now

[twokexlv6coupe]

H23 with 108K miles.
but some kid IM'ed me last night asking if i wanted to buy his FMAX turbo kit. ima see what happens wit dat....
my only question with that setup is why are there 2 injectors in the IC piping??? i'm confuzzled about that.


and i have an exedy stage 1 clutch + fidanza 8lb flywheel. should be good enough, right? :tup:

[bard329]

H23 with 108K miles.
but some kid IM'ed me last night asking if i wanted to buy his FMAX turbo kit. ima see what happens wit dat....
my only question with that setup is why are there 2 injectors in the IC piping??? i'm confuzzled about that.


and i have an exedy stage 1 clutch + fidanza 8lb flywheel. should be good enough, right? :tup:

well you came to the right place!

those two injectors are hooked up to a little box, that is then hooked up to a 2 (or 3) bar map sensor completely seperate of your regular ole honda map sensor. that little box (mf2, i believe) reads boost from the map sensor and starts spraying extra gas through those two injectors.

as for the clutch.... i don't know what kind of clutch the car had when i bought it.. all i know is it wasn't stock. so far it's lasted me about 5 months with this turbo.... but today my competition stage 3 comes in... which is good, because the current one is on its last leg. what am i trying to say? depending on the kind of power youre looking for, exedy stage 1 might not be enough?

[THE ONE]

my philosophy on boosting and clutches go like this..... "you need atleast a stage three clutch!"

Also, your flywheel is a little on the too light side for a turbo.....

[jdm bb6]

theres the action im looking for, yeah, buy my turbo goodies in the for sale thread dammit

like the setup so far, you know your missing the essentials correct?

[twokexlv6coupe]

1: i wasn't expecting to boost when i bought my clutch and flywheel, and i had a feeling that they weren't gonna suffice for boost. but whatevvvvv

2: which is a better setup? the mf2 with the 2 extra injectors, or a chipped ECU with crome? (i think i know the answer to this one)


3: what do you mean i'm missing the essentials? i have damn-near everything

- T3/TO4E 57 trim .63 a/r
- hermsfab log manifold
- tial 38mm wastegate with 7psi spring
- tial 50mm BOV
- 440cc injectors
- stealthmode performance oil line kit
- a no name 28x6.5x3 intercooler
- a generic piping kit
- chipped and socketed crome ECU
- 3" downpipe
- walbro 255lph fuel pump
- blox boost gauge


or if i buy the FMAX kit from the kid....
T3/T4b
tial wg
hks bov
ic piping
spearco intercooler
downpipe
msd ignition
manifold
oil line kit

[bard329]

1: i wasn't expecting to boost when i bought my clutch and flywheel, and i had a feeling that they weren't gonna suffice for boost. but whatevvvvv

2: which is a better setup? the mf2 with the 2 extra injectors, or a chipped ECU with crome? (i think i know the answer to this one)


3: what do you mean i'm missing the essentials? i have damn-near everything

- T3/TO4E 57 trim .63 a/r
- hermsfab log manifold
- tial 38mm wastegate with 7psi spring
- tial 50mm BOV
- 440cc injectors
- stealthmode performance oil line kit
- a no name 28x6.5x3 intercooler
- a generic piping kit
- chipped and socketed crome ECU
- 3" downpipe
- walbro 255lph fuel pump
- blox boost gauge


or if i buy the FMAX kit from the kid....
T3/T4b
tial wg
hks bov
ic piping
spearco intercooler
downpipe
msd ignition
manifold
oil line kit

yea, i don't use the two extra injectors.... something about them just puts me off... i just have it tuned to work without them.

[twokexlv6coupe]

ok cool. thru all of the turbo research that i've been doing lately, i've never seen this setup, and it made me a little uneasy also.

thanks for the help guys :tup: :banana:

[jdm bb6]

crome does wonders up here, but i think i rather go with hondata s200 w/ boost... for tuning purposes, lil things your missing is oil gasket kit, bottom end gasket kit, oil lines, lilt small things and dont boost till you have 500 dollars in reserve, just incase you need extra parts and your car isnt off the road longer than expected

[twokexlv6coupe]

a good amount of money started steadily pouring in, so i'm :banana: now

but both turbo kits include the oil lines. i guess i'll get a new oil pan gasket while i'm at it. any other small things??


another question: if i put in 440cc injectors in, do i need to put a new resistor box in???

[jdm bb6]

i think that deponds on if they are dry or saturated...

[twokexlv6coupe]

saturated

[jdm bb6]

i think you will need a box, what 440cc or 450cc injectors are they ? i know they come in a kit and all.. bosch, rc?

[twokexlv6coupe]

either precision or DSM 440's. i haven't done too much research on injectors, but i heard precision makes good **** :tup:

[jdm bb6]

rc and bosch are good as well

[Attaus]

You might want to replace the OPG while you're at it, but.. isn't it like $400? Mine just went bad, but I'd rather put in half a quart here or there then shell out money for a new one.

For the FMAX kit, T3/T04B = lame. You won't have much fun with that.. but otherwise it's a good kit.

Where did you find that manifold? How much?

I have an H23 and I'm shopping for boost also.

[THE ONE]

everybody on pz going boosted. It's conspiracy I tell yah!

[jdm bb6]

i know i cant wait, we should all put up our dyno sheets running 12 psi of boost to see whos got a better tune and setup !!!

[94 LUDE]

everybody on pz going boosted. It's conspiracy I tell yah!

lol I can't wait to go boosted!!

[twokexlv6coupe]

You might want to replace the OPG while you're at it, but.. isn't it like $400? Mine just went bad, but I'd rather put in half a quart here or there then shell out money for a new one.

For the FMAX kit, T3/T04B = lame. You won't have much fun with that.. but otherwise it's a good kit.



whats the OPG??

and considering this is my first turbo setup... ANY turbo is better than no turbo :p
i can always upgrade to my original T3/TO4E 57 trim :tup:

i found a log style mani for our H23's thats AC and PS compatable @ www.hermsfab.com :banana: :banana:

[Attaus]

Wow man.. you rock. 200?!?!

OPG = Oil pan gasket.. sorry.. hehe

About the turbo, you're right, but down the road you'll want to switch.


PS-- Who chipped your ECU?

[twokexlv6coupe]

i didn't get my ECU yet, i'm prolly gonna get it from www.phearable.net or http://www.j-k-tuning.com


now if i got a new ECU, would i need an MSD ignition??

[jdm bb6]

i had msn and it kicked ass in my integra gsr, turned over in any condiction and it seemed to me i got better gas milage. i will probly put this on my 5th gen.

i have an extra ecu so my plan is to just send that bad boy out and have that chipped and basemapped and if needed changed from obd2 to 1 with the harness and all.. im a step ahead just to make sure i can get everything right, go overboad if you need to man. pheariable.net, is a 1 man worker, hes good at what he does out of his basement.... has done many jobs, as seen on his website. i am not familiar with a 4th gens conversion... are you obd2? i mean what do you need done ?

[Attaus]

No, he should be OBD-1 with really only the need to chip the ECU for Crome/Hondata/Neptune.

Phearable.net doesn't chip H23's (P13) so I guess you'll have to go with J-K tuning. They have a P28 with the OBD-2 to OBD-1 conversion harness, but you will lose your knock sensor (not a big deal) and shorter runners (5-10 hp loss under 5.5k). I would just recommend chipping your ECU first and see how that works out. If you do it yourself, please do a writeup.

[twokexlv6coupe]

i have the LAST year of OBD-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana:

[jdm bb6]

lucky bastard

[twokexlv6coupe]

assuming everything else between two different kits are exactly the same, would you guys prefer a T3/TO4E 57 trim .63 a/r, or a T3/TO4B V trim for an H23!!??!

[jdm bb6]

the hybrid 57 trim YO, i got it :)

[Attaus]

T04E.. def.

[twokexlv6coupe]

so you never answered whether or not i'll need the MSD ignition with the crome ECU

[THE ONE]

no you will not. It's nice to have though

[twokexlv6coupe]

1: 440 or 510 injectors?

2: will i need a resistor box for either of them?

3: and a new fuel pump is a must, correct??

[Attaus]

1) 510 if you can

2) No just make sure they're peak & hold

3) Yes

[twokexlv6coupe]

sssssssssssssssssssssss PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


i canttt waitttttt

[jdm bb6]

amen, i cannot wait either, i drove my friends 325 wheel hp CIVIC and let me tell you, for a civic i was fast. he destroys g35's and so on...

[twokexlv6coupe]

so wait... our preludes (90-95) already come with resistor boxes, and DSM injectors are peak and hold. so i'm still not gonna use the box?

[Attaus]

No, they were just designed for peak and hold injectors. If you buy saturated injectors, you will need a resistor box.

DSM manufactured Eclipses with both.

[ogsmakdade]

I have RC 550 peak and hold in my NA motor. They're not running at full duty though. I love my EMS.

[jdm bb6]

amen to ems... and your 30k to build a true NA motor, i respect you more for it being a prelude. why only 300 wheel, would that be toping out the prelude ability ?

[ogsmakdade]

Not at all topping out the preludes capabilities. I wanted to acheieve the most amount of power with an NA motor and still have it streetable. I'm going to drive this thing every day. it idles at 1100 rpm, hits peak power at 8500 rpm, revs to 9000rpm, and hits vtec engagement at 5700rpm.

I could have got more power out of it by using individual throttle boddies, but I didn't know all that much about them a year and a half ago when I purchased all my parts. I already purchased all my parts before I sent the car to be built, which is why I didn't use ITB's. He poweder coated my brand new skunk2 manifold so I'm going to keep it a while, but itb's are possibly a future swap.

[ogsmakdade]

Oh yeah the car is fully capable of handling a 150 shot of juice. So when I get used to driving her again, I might install that.

[twokexlv6coupe]

slight change of plan... might be getting a T3/TO4E 60 trim, not 57. we'll see tho...

[jdm bb6]

slight change of plan... might be getting a T3/TO4E 60 trim, not 57. we'll see tho...

i ot the 57 trim, here fo to blaastperformace.com and look at their chargers, it will give you a idea of power bands and maybe how much boost you wanna hit. Its a very useful site plus they are very good with their prices :)

[THE ONE]

I have RC 550 peak and hold in my NA motor. They're not running at full duty though. I love my EMS.

just to add to the point that is bold and I think he was trying to say you never want your injectors to be running at full cycle (duty whatever you wanna call it). 80% duty cycle is ideal but no more. So when your boosting you need to take that into consideration when you start to select what injector size you want. I'll find a chart for you guys that I have somewhere on my computer for you and post it up...

[twokexlv6coupe]

thanks TEL :tup:


and would this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Prelude-Integra-CRX-Intercooler-Piping-Greddy-RS-301_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ018QQitem Z280007725651QQrdZ1) be a decent piping + FMIC + BOV setup??

i KNOW its a greddy TYPE BOV, but for the money, would it be any good??

[THE ONE]

thanks TEL :tup:


and would this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Prelude-Integra-CRX-Intercooler-Piping-Greddy-RS-301_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ018QQitem Z280007725651QQrdZ1) be a decent piping + FMIC + BOV setup??

i KNOW its a greddy TYPE BOV, but for the money, would it be any good??

That looks good.... I think I would buy that setup and change the cufflinks (the things that connect the piping together) and get some better/stronger onces.. those should be really cheap.

[ogsmakdade]

just to add to the point that is bold and I think he was trying to say you never want your injectors to be running at full cycle (duty whatever you wanna call it). 80% duty cycle is ideal but no more. So when your boosting you need to take that into consideration when you start to select what injector size you want. I'll find a chart for you guys that I have somewhere on my computer for you and post it up...

indeed.

when was your lude wrecked in the front?

[THE ONE]

indeed.

when was your lude wrecked in the front?


my lude was recked in the rear.... well.... the only big problem was the rear suspension was broken. I was making 189hp then... Then after the fix I was making over 200 and change... Then the sucker died.... It was combination of things that brought my lude down (I might have been too aggressive with a honda coming from a supercharged maxima who knows). It pisses me off to be talking about it right now, so I'll just say the motor is dead.. it seized up one night and I've been slowly bringing her back to life:banana: . I don't plan on making more power than where I was; but I do have some tricks up my sleave to get me to 300whp.:)

[ogsmakdade]

word. I bet you didn't spend as much as I did. This car is probably the dumbest thing I've ever done. I should have bought a house.

[THE ONE]

naw... I'll never invest 30K on a car after I've paid for it. I might do 10K but not 30K lol

[twokexlv6coupe]

update on my turbo project..... here (http://www.preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=805)




:(

[ogsmakdade]

naw... I'll never invest 30K on a car after I've paid for it. I might do 10K but not 30K lol


I paid $25,000 ..... over 30 on mods. ugh.

[twokexlv6coupe]

back on topic: sympathize for me dammit!!!! :mad:

[ogsmakdade]

back on topic: sympathize for me dammit!!!! :mad:


hey buddy the whole world doesn't revolve around you! maybe this post should because of the title. haha

[THE ONE]

hey buddy the whole world doesn't revolve around you! maybe this post should because of the title. haha

oh shuddup! give the guy a break lol. He has to buy a new gas tank and pay for New Jersey labor which is not cheap. That is going to put a big hault on his turbo process.


Momment of silence for him......

[ogsmakdade]

oh shuddup! give the guy a break lol. He has to buy a new gas tank and pay for New Jersey labor which is not cheap. That is going to put a big hault on his turbo process.


Momment of silence for him......


Don't go all street on me Ace! lol I know all about setbacks. Murphys Law kicks me in the sack on the regular.

[twokexlv6coupe]

ok, my moment of silence is over.

did you find that injector chart TEL??
no pressure, its not like i'll be boosting for a coupla months now *sighhhhh*