I need help ASAP!!!!!

[THE ONE]

Sup Guys and Gals?


Here is the situation..... I have my motor back together and its in the car. But why the hell wont it start? I don't remember if the fifth gen preludes had an immobilizer or not. Right now I'm running a P13 ecu so I shouldn't have any problems right? So why my shyt ain't starting? I'm also wondering if I need to reset the alarm on it cause if things aren't done in a specific way that can cause the car to not turn over too....


TEL out.


Gimmi some ideas guys. It's valentines day and it would be good to drive my **** out to dinner tonight. My girlfriend have never seen this car. She only knows I work on it a lot. This shyt have me so hyped right now I can't believe it wont start. I'm going to try reseting the alarm and finding out if it does have an immobilizer ASAP. In the mean time through me some other ideas. Shyt's crazy yo!

Ace.

[Prelude13]

It doesnt crank over, or anything?

any battery power?
Fuel being sent?
grounds correctly attatched?

:smirk:

finally.

[THE ONE]

its turning but now....
I here the fuel pump. Its turning like it wants to start but I'm getting no spark. I'm gonna change ecus real quick...

[Qnz92Lude]

Come on ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!

i was gonna say check the grounds and alarm. my sister has an alarm with cut off switch where it malfunctioned and now her car wont start so perhaps it could have been that. goodluck and email me back fuker. :-D

[THE ONE]

Alright... diagnostics report from yours truly:

when I turn the key I here my fuel pump primeing. (So it's getting fuel)
It's turning over when I try to start it. (So its not the starter)
I have not checked the main relay yet. (I'm pretty confident that's not the problem.)
I forgot to unplug the ATTS brain from under the dash (Went ahead and did so.)
I need clutch fuid. (Still not a reason for it not to start)
I have new Cap, Rotor, Spark plugs, wires.


It's turning over and won't start. It's getting gas but it won't start. SOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!


I drew the conclusion that spark is not being delivered to the combustion chambers. The only thing that is still on my ignition from the blown motor is the Distributor itself. I ordered a new one tonight. it set me back Damn near $400. I won't get it until friday. So I won't have a chance to put it on until Saturday afternoon the earliest. Keep your fingers crossed for me guys. I hope this solves the problem and I can finally see V-Attack again lol.

So my car has a pulse it's just not talking yet.

TEL.

[Qnz92Lude]

wow good luck man keep us posted.

[Preludeshalyn]

make sure your spark plug wires are in the right order

[Si Speed]

Oh DAMN! You gotta do it Ace. I ain't even gonna ask to drive but I wanna ride in it next week! I'm seriously about to piss myself I'm so excited. This may be very basic but maybe try some starter fluid? It's been what, 15 months since it was cranked?

[THE ONE]

make sure your spark plug wires are in the right order


this guy might be on to something here... can somebody post pictures of a h22 so I can see the spark plugs placements please?

[Si Speed]

If it's the same as an H23 I can help ya out...

[THE ONE]

I got some what of good news. Today was a blessing. I ran into an old friend by the name of Jose. He drives a Geo tracker with a 13b rotory engine. He is also a mechanic. He tells me he doesn't think it's the distributor. He thinks it's the modular inside the distributor. This will cost a hell of a lot less than $400 big ones one would think. He is also going to let me borrow a tool that will tell me exactly where I'm having ignition problems. I don't remember the name of it but it seems God is watching over me. I'll keep you guys posted on it.


TEL.

[sickprelude]

well good luck with that keep us post it:biggrin:

[absntmnd69]

gl man....cant wait to see pics and vids of that beast back on the skreet

[ogsmakdade]

this guy might be on to something here... can somebody post pictures of a h22 so I can see the spark plugs placements please?

Ihave plenty of pictures.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/enginehoist.jpg?t=1171720899

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/motorfront.jpg?t=1171720990

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/motorside.jpg?t=1171721021

if my hood wasn't frozen shut I'd find out for sure what goes where. hope this helps

[BB615]

Ihave plenty of pictures.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/enginehoist.jpg?t=1171720899

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/motorfront.jpg?t=1171720990

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engine%20build/motorside.jpg?t=1171721021

if my hood wasn't frozen shut I'd find out for sure what goes where. hope this helps

dude your engine is sex!

[TaylerP123]

If you still think your wires are in the wrong spots I can run out and get a picture of where they go.

And if you want an easy way to check to see if your plugs are making sparks, take out one wire plug and stick a screw driver in it then hold it half an inch from metal and get some one to turn the key. If you are getting sparks they will jump from the screwdriver to the metal.

GL.

[THE ONE]

thanks guys. I really appreciate all the help and luck with this. I found out what the problem is. its the crank sensor. its not located on the crank as one would think. its in the module of the distributor. my delema now is to find out what wires in the distributor to slice. I also have to extend the crank sensor from my harness. I'm no electrician but I have faith that the helms will guide me successfully through this. when I look back at the entire week trying to get the car to start this actually makes sense. thanks guys. I will keep you all posted. I just need to make some time to sit down and tackle this task. I'm sssssooooooo busy with every other thing that's goin on right now. school, work, females and my social life keeps me really busy.

tel
ace

[foxyauto]

sounds like you need the ultimate specailized super duper tool.....a magic wand, unfortunale they are on back oreder from my mac dealer!! j/k man good luck, and looking at your motor gave me fem-boner!!!:

[98vtec]

im guessing you went with an OBDI motor. OBDI motors have the crank sensor in the distributor, unlike the OBDII motor on the oil pump. This is why its "correct" to swap over to the OBDII oil pump and OBDII distributor when using an OBDI based motor.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1053816
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1161140

check out those threads for some info.

[THE ONE]

im guessing you went with an OBDI motor. OBDI motors have the crank sensor in the distributor, unlike the OBDII motor on the oil pump. This is why its "correct" to swap over to the OBDII oil pump and OBDII distributor when using an OBDI based motor.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1053816
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1161140

check out those threads for some info.


I'm not gay or anything cause I sure do love Women but I love you man... This helped me figured out what the wires do and how to trace them.


Just like precision I have Red, Green, White and Blue. Ofcourse you know green is cylinder 1, Red is 2, blue is 3 and white is 4.

Now From looking at various diagrams and thinking this through logically. I've come to this conclusion that the Black and Yellow (CYP) wire on the dist. Gives signals for #2 and #4. So I'm wondering if I combine The Green and White (cylinder number 1 and 4) and run them to the to the respective wire that gives signal to number 4; then combine the other 2 wires and connect them to the other respective wire if everything would be o.k. Granded that Cylinder 1 and 4 fire together and 2 and 3 fire together.

This is what I've come up with and I'm ready to to combine and connect the wires right now. I just need to know if this is correct or not?

Edit: Also it's weird to me because on the stamp right above the header it has "00" which means it's a 2000 engine.

[ogsmakdade]

im guessing you went with an OBDI motor. OBDI motors have the crank sensor in the distributor, unlike the OBDII motor on the oil pump. This is why its "correct" to swap over to the OBDII oil pump and OBDII distributor when using an OBDI based motor.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1053816
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1161140

check out those threads for some info.

great tip blake, something I did not know.

[ogsmakdade]

sounds like you need the ultimate specailized super duper tool.....a magic wand, unfortunale they are on back oreder from my mac dealer!! j/k man good luck, and looking at your motor gave me fem-boner!!!:

thanks. she looks even better w/ my RMF ss header, various polished and cf parts!

....and about the "fem-boner" comment, I don't know wether to be turned on or scared lol.

p.s. ace sorry for thread jackin hahah :tongue:

[Preludeshalyn]

oh i like it!

[TaylerP123]

Good work ace. Except we havn't seen pictures yet. DUN dUn dun.

thanks. she looks even better w/ my RMF ss header, various polished and cf parts!

....and about the "fem-boner" comment, I don't know wether to be turned on or scared lol.

p.s. ace sorry for thread jackin hahah :tongue:

If it makes you feel any better, your engine gives me a man-boner.

[ogsmakdade]

^ yes tayler, that makes me feel wonderful. LMAO.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/ogsmakdade/engineside.jpg?t=1172410363

[Si Speed]

Yeah it's still way hotter than that fat bitch with the pankcake tits last night who wanted me to pay her for a lapdance. I told her I didn't have any money for her and to go somewhere else, lol.
By the way, Blake, them links taught me something as well.

[THE ONE]

O.K. guys I'm getting there. Taylor believe me you don't want to see my car right now. It's a big heep of mess.