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LilMsPrelude
09-05-2008, 12:25 PM
*THE BIG THREE HOW TO GUIDE:

As many of you know, upgrading the "Big 3" wires in your engine compartment can lower the overall resistance of your entire electrical system. The effects of the lower resistance are typically:

1) Reduced dimming and smaller voltage drops
2) More stable voltage and better current flow
3) Less strain on your vehicle's charging system

So for those of you looking for a relatively inexpensive and easy way to upgrade your audio system, and help out your electrical system, without adding a high output alternator or an aftermarket battery, this is the modification for you. If you have heavy dimming or are getting large voltage drops during loud bass hits, but you don't have the money to spend on a high output alternator or a battery, upgrading your vehicle's "Big 3" will usually help to reduce and sometimes even eliminate the problems. So without further ado, the "Big 3" wires are:

1) Battery negative to chassis
2) Alternator to battery positive
3) Chassis to engine

Now, I suppose it would help if I explained what each of these wires do. Think of your vehicle's charging system as two different circuits, one consisting of your amplifier and your battery, and the other consisting of your alternator and your battery. The current in your electrical system flows from your positive battery terminal to your amp, from your amp's ground to the chassis, and then from the chassis back to the negative battery terminal. But how does it get to the positive terminal in the first place? That's where the alternator comes in. Current in the second circuit flows from your alternator's positive post to the battery's positive terminal, then from the battery's negative terminal to the chassis, and from the chassis back to the block, which happens to be the grounding point for your alternator.

So, from your battery, you have the power wire going to the power terminal on your amplifier and then your amplifier is grounded to the chassis of the vehicle. From here the current needs a way to get back to the negative battery terminal, and that way is through the first of the "Big 3," the battery negative to chassis wire. Upgrading this wire will "upgrade" the circuit between your battery and your amp by giving the current a larger path ( less resistance) to flow through and get back to the battery.

From the positive post on your alternator, you have the second of the "Big 3," the alternator to battery positive wire supplying "power" to your battery. From there the battery, just like your amp, is grounded to the chassis through the wire mentioned in the previous paragraph.

Again, the current needs a way to get from the chassis back to the alternator's "negative terminal" and that way is through the last of the "Big 3," the chassis to engine wire. Since your alternator is most likely mounted to your engine block using a metal or conductive mounting bracket, you can simply add your new wire from the chassis to one of the mounting posts for the alternator. Upgrading these two wires will "upgrade" the circuit between your alternator and your battery, again giving the current a larger path to flow through.


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PARTS LIST:
-20+ Ft. of Large Gauge Wire-vehicle Dependant. Most people use 1/0
-Crimp or solder "lugs"
-Crimping device or table mounted vice
-Plastic Zip wire ties or other attaching hardware.
-Propane Torch or Heat Gun
-Heat Shrink tubing
-Misc Sockets and wrenches (since this tutorial is applicable to all types of vehicles.

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CREATING Your Crimped Connections:

I decided to use an affordable ($40) tool that makes good quality connections, instead of a table vice). The connectors I used are solid all the way around, unlike the split units. I believe this style of crimp is MUCH better at holding the wire secure. Especially in the car environment.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/DSCF1020.jpg


The crimper tool:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20004.jpg


Get all of your parts together:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20006.jpg


Place the heat shrink, boot, tech flex, or whatever you are going to protect your wire and end connections with first. Strip the wire back with a sharp knife JUST the depth of the barrel on the crimp:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20007.jpg


Put it in your crimp tool and smack the heck out of it with a heavy hammer, or preferably a 2 or 5 lb. sledge.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20009.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20010.jpg

Due to the fact this tool MUST be used on a solid surface, I pre-measured all of my wire runs with a thick piece of nylon rope. This allowed me to cut each piece of wire and prepare it properly.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20011.jpg

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The INSTALL:

Your wires are cut and crimped, and you understand exactly what the "Big 3" do, it's time to do the install. You can use regular power wire from installing your car audio equipment, ring terminals, and crimping equipment just the same as you would for any other install. Let's start with the first of the "Big 3," the battery negative to chassis wire:
1) Disconnect your battery's negative terminal and get the stock wiring out of the way. You might have to cut it and crimp a new ring terminal onto it. I found it helpful to use aftermarket battery terminals with multiple ports on them also.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/BatTerm.jpg

2) Scrape away the paint and drill the hole for your connection of the larger wire, or connect it to the stock grounding point. Either way you do it, make sure it is bare chassis metal, not covered by paint, and that the connection is as tight and secure as possible:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20020.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20029.jpg

3) Secure the new wire to the chassis and reconnect the vehicle's stock chassis ground, but DON'T reconnect the vehicle's negative battery terminal yet! You may find it helpful to cover the negative battery terminal with a cloth or other non-conductive material and just lay the terminal on it until you're ready to reconnect it later.

Moving on to the next of the "Big 3," let's upgrade the alternator to battery positive wire:
4) Locate the vehicle's alternator and look for a terminal post connected to it. The post shouldn't be hard to find. It should have only one wire connected to it, and it should lead to the positive terminal on the battery, possibly through the fuse box.


5) Disconnect the stock alternator to battery positive wire from the positive post and connect it to the post again with the new wire added.
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http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/tutorials/03.jpg

6) Run the wire either through your fuse box if applicable or through a fuse. The fuse should be sized to match the max ampacity of your wire, not the output capability of your alternator. (see wire chart below)


The last of the BIG THREE Steps is the engine block to Battery connection.

In My 92Si (H23) I found a stock bracket underneath the starter so I used this for my engine to Batt Neg connection.
This picture is the before of the neg connection and the Starter wire.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/DSCF1022.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/DSCF1025.jpg

I took my Dremel and cleaned up the bracket:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20016.jpg

And I attached the new ground wire to this chassis location.. I ALSO went ahead and replaced the starter Cable at the same time.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20015.jpg


However, because your alternator is grounded to the block, you can also find a bolt somewhere on the bracket and connect it to the Battery Negative post.

9) That's it! You're done. Reconnect the vehicle's negative battery terminal and check out the difference! Below is a shot of the "Big 3" Battery connections: (missing still is the Amplifier lead-Coming soon)

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/june20028.jpg

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Helpful hints:
1) You can Leave the stock wiring attached after you're done. Current will take the path of least resistance anyway, so if you are using the stock wiring, say it is 4AWG, and you add another run of 4AWG, you are STILL improving the current flow.
2) You Should fuse the Alt to Battery wire for safety. Some will argue this is not necessary so if you chose not to, do so at your own risk. When fusing your alternator to battery positive wire, fuse it toward the battery end of the wire.

3) Lastly, prepare all your materials and tools BEFORE you are ready to upgrade. Know what you are doing before you start so you can be done as quick as possible. The majority of vehicles have computers that will reset after the battery is disconnected for a long time and they can cause older vehicles to do strange things if they reset.
Hopefully this clears up most of the questions you had about why we upgrade the "Big 3" and how it helps to stop dimming and other electrical problems.

*Parts of this tutorial and the information/pictures provided came from SoundDomain.com

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What did I notice with this upgrade?
The first thing I discovered is that my car didn't sound like it was struggling to start. I know this is for many reasons, obviously the battery upgrade and the larger wires, But because I am getting more amps to my starter, both the positive lead to it and the better ground completing the circuit, there is Much less strain.
I have NOT re-installed my stereo yet-- it will only be about 800 Watts or so, but I have heard others praise the upgrade/systems ability to maintain the voltage draw and it virtually eliminated the light dimming, etc. I will add more as I get working on my own system and will update this regularly.

LilMsPrelude
09-05-2008, 12:36 PM
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/WireSize.jpg

snakerb
09-05-2008, 01:47 PM
Very nice post, I see alot of cars with the diming headlights from their sound system. I've installed my own ICE several times and never had that problem but I didn't know how to fix it for those who did either.

98BB6SH
09-05-2008, 06:10 PM
very nice write up. i would have love to have scene a possible battery relocation added to it. :wink:

if i ever encounter this problem this write up will definitely come in handy.
well done!

twokexlv6coupe
09-05-2008, 06:38 PM
very good and informative write up!!



very nice write up. i would have love to have scene a possible battery relocation added to it. :wink:


i already did that write up, like 2 years ago. :rolleyes:

LilMsPrelude
09-05-2008, 07:09 PM
Thank you guys.

I saw the Battery relocation post too, WELL written I may add. But I didn't want to focus on that in this tutorial. Most people wont be moving the Battery to the trunk.. yet.. LOL!

I have more information I may ADD to this thread that explains why and how the electrical system in the car works. --*warning--I am a geek and go into detail easily and quickly*-- hehe, hence my LONG posts.

lordbutz
10-01-2008, 12:43 AM
thank you for this glorious post!

EvilBird
11-01-2008, 01:51 PM
I have done everything you said with the big 3 and i still have dimming headlights and if i turn up my subs to loud it will shut of my head unit.....i tried dif head units ,same problem, ive checked all my connections over and over again.........same prob...now should i get a cap? its so annoying!!!!!

2 JL 12" JL 500x1 sub amp
p.s. it never use to do this

99PreludeSh
11-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Amazing write up! Rep for you!

LilMsPrelude
11-01-2008, 02:53 PM
I have done everything you said with the big 3 and i still have dimming headlights and if i turn up my subs to loud it will shut of my head unit.....i tried dif head units ,same problem, ive checked all my connections over and over again.........same prob...now should i get a cap? its so annoying!!!!!

2 JL 12" JL 500x1 sub amp
p.s. it never use to do this


No Sir, a Capacitor still will NOT help you with your problem. The AMplifier is pulling MORE than your charging system can provide. A Capacitor will Worsen this effect.

What Kind of vehicle do you drive? Make/Model?
Is the Stock Alternator still being used?
Did you upgrade the battery? (recently?) What Kind of battery?

Mdtdnb
11-02-2008, 01:41 AM
Great post. Glad to see another audiophile here! I am very happy to see you pointed out that the wire itself has a specific limit to how much current it can handle! that in itself is often overlooked and worthy of rep for you.


No Sir, a Capacitor still will NOT help you with your problem. The AMplifier is pulling MORE than your charging system can provide. A Capacitor will Worsen this effect.

What Kind of vehicle do you drive? Make/Model?
Is the Stock Alternator still being used?
Did you upgrade the battery? (recently?) What Kind of battery?

i also wanted to just say you are 100% correct here despite what many may think. Caps do not add any extra power to the system, they only manipulate how it is distributed. for large systems, a general recommendation is to upgrade the big 3, get a deep cycle battery, upgrade the alternator to one that provides more amperage.

note: without doing the big 3, a high amp alternator is more likely to ruin your sound system by providing a phenomenal amount of engine noise.

Brash22
11-02-2008, 04:39 PM
Please stop bumping this thread. It keeps reminding me that I need to do this. Maybe over the summer break...

my4thgenlude
11-02-2008, 05:07 PM
why not just get a voltage stabilizer?

LilMsPrelude
11-02-2008, 05:36 PM
why not just get a voltage stabilizer?


Because if your source voltage is NOT adequate, you are simply adding another component into the electrical system and causing that much more draw. Just like a cap.. it is a bandaid and NOT a cure.

LilMsPrelude
11-05-2008, 04:59 PM
I promissed a follow up thread explaing the importance of the Big Three and why... I Would also like to Dispell ANY and ALL Myths about Capacitors in Car Audio and why they are a Blatant waste of Money. Not to Mention, detrimental to a vehicles Charging System.
**Warning** - LONG POST!**
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First: The Battery-
Lets look at HOW a battery actually 'works'...
If you look at any battery, you'll notice that it has two terminals. One terminal is marked (+), or positive, while the other is marked (-), or negative.

Electrons collect on the negative terminal of the battery. If you connect a wire between the negative and positive terminals, the electrons will flow from the negative to the positive terminal as fast as they can (and wear out the battery very quickly -- this also tends to be dangerous, especially with large batteries, so it is not something you want to be doing). Normally, you connect some type of load to the battery using the wire. (Amplifiers, cars electronics, etc.)

Inside the battery itself, a chemical reaction produces the electrons. The speed of electron production, by this chemical reaction (the battery's internal resistance) controls how many electrons can flow between the terminals. Electrons flow from the battery into a wire, and must travel from the negative to the positive terminal for the chemical reaction to take place. That is why a battery can sit on a shelf for a year and still have plenty of power -- unless electrons are flowing from the negative to the positive terminal, the chemical reaction does not take place. Once you connect a wire, the reaction starts.

In a simple lead acid automotive battery we are speaking about the reaction of a zinc and carbon "rod" or plate (connected with a wire, and) immersed in an sulfuric acid. Generally electrons will flow through the wire from the zinc plate to the carbon plate. Hydrogen gas builds up on the carbon plate, and over a fairly short period of time coats the majority of the carbon plate's surface. This coating restricts/prohibits the transfer of electrons and is the reason why the battery will appear 'dead' if not 'recharged.' (in a car the Alternator or Generator does the job of providing power and "re-charging" the capacitance of the battery itself.)

Given time, the coating of gas will dissipate and allow the transfer of electrons again. That's why you can turn off the key of a dead car, wait, then crank it over again. (Hoping it is enough to make it start.)


How many times have you seen someone use massive 1/0 AWG wire for the positive terminal and 4 or 8 AWG for the ground? Right away we are creating a 'bottle neck' for the system and not allowing it to perform at its maximum capacity. Since your battery cannot possibly provide all the power a hi wattage system needs to "POUND," you MUST also make sure the battery is able to receive the available charge from the Alternator and that this power can move with the least resistance from the negative terminal, through the chassis and back to the positive terminal.

Understanding how electricity “flows” in the mobile environment is paramount to an efficient, and strong power system. Most people focus primarily on this as a way to provide power TO a vehicles accessories, when, in actuality, this is a RETURN “line” Back to the Battery. Confusing huh? Just remember, the power actually flows from negative to positive. Once you grasp that, the rest is elementary. Opposites attract: the negatively charged electrons try to get to the positively charged electrons. Simple as that. Really!~ It is…!
I know, this is backwards from what we have been taught and I don’t blame you for questioning my sanity, so, please, read on.

Second- The Alternator: When the vehicle’s motor is running the alternator provides a charge usually in the range of 11.6 volts to 14.5. It does so by spinning coils of wire inside a stator. (Pardon me but we need to get ‘techy’ here to really explain what is happening.) In a common alternator there are three windings that, when passed by a stator, cause an A/C (Alternating Current) electrical charge. This makes the one physical unit, electrically become a three-in-one power producing unit. Each pass of the windings by the stator is out of phase from the others so it can provide an adequate output at even slower revolutions. A/C is very efficient compared to D/C (Direct Current), BUT, our cars don’t operate on AC. We resolve this by adding a Diode to each winding thusly the A/C charge is converted to a D/C. So why don’t we use a Generator that creates D/C to begin with? As stated, D/C current is VERY in-efficient. A generator (that creates D/C current) requires it too spin MUCH faster to create an equal output.


Third-Chassis to engine:
Logically, you would think that the engine would already be grounded well enough. The opposite is true. As manufacturers devise more ways to silence a vehicles noise they introduce more rubber, plastic, and other composite gasket or bushing material(s) to reduce noise and vibration transfer. But, it also GREATLY reduces the ability for electrons to flow freely from the engine to the chassis of the vehicle. Since our alternator is mounted on the engine block itself, we also need to rid our system of this additional ‘bottle-neck.’

so, in closing, for the big three....
1) Power actually flows from negative to positive.
2) DO THE BIG THREE! (it is a relatively inexpensive upgrade with dramatic results)
3) When running 'power' for your vehicle, it is NOT necessary to also run a 'Negative' lead from the battery, your cars chassis is already handling that task. It is debated in length amongst the “enthusiasts” if this is advantageous (You will hear some say it is necessary for those Uni-Body style vehicles) If you can afford the cost and the space required to run an additional strand for the ground, certainly go ahead and do it. It won’t hurt anything.
4) Use the SAME SIZE ground/negative(-) wire as you are using for the Positive(+)Lead wire.
5) When connecting a negative power lead to the chassis it is imperative you thoroughly prepare the area removing any and all paint, rust, etc.

Hope this helps answer some of the questions and confusion.


STIFFENING CAPACITORS!!! The Greatest Car Audio Myth EVER devised....

WHAT is a Capacitor?
The most basic form of a capacitor is two metal plates, which are very close to each other, but do not touch. The plates are separated by some type of insulating material. Air, which does not conduct, can be used as an insulator, and on older AM/FM radios, the tuning capacitor uses air. Other materials can be used, like plastics, or electrolyte pastes. When power is applied to the capacitor, the charges flow from positive, to the positive plate of the capacitor. The charges stop at the one plate, because of the insulating material, but the electrostatic charge pushes against the charge of the other plate, and causes the current to flow on that side. This flow will happen as long as the charges are able to build up on the plates. The size of the plate, and the distance between the two plates will determine how much charge the plates can hold. When the power source is removed, the charges are still there, and they have no place to go. The charges would like to meet each other, to equalize the charges between the two plates, but the insulator between the plates prevent this. If the plates were allowed to touch, the charges would all flow to the other side at once (which could be very dangerous). If some device, such as a light bulb, speaker, or motor were used to bridge the two sides of the capacitor, the charges would power that device until both plates evened out their charges. In this manner, a capacitor stores an electrical charge.


ALso, By Nature, the Capacitor is capable of passing high frequencies, and thus it is commonly used in a crossover scheme. For this diatribe, lets focus on WHY people use them for power stabilization.

You car audio amplifier has many capacitors already built into it, and if it is a reputable manufacturer, they have determined the necessary capacitance required for your specific amplifier power needs. These "consume" power in the same way a stiffening capacitor does, and as the power source provides. They are quick to release the charge as well as to accept it. A capacitor however CANNOT create it's own electrical charge and must rely on an alternate source to do that. Hence, this is where the Capacitor is a LOAD on the charging system, yes, Just like your Amplifier is.

If your Charging system is insufficient in providing the sound system, as well as other vehicle electrical components, the energy they need to perform at peak levels, then you NEED to Upgrade the Charging system!
.... and we come full circle back to the necessity of FIRST doing your Big Three upgrade. AND, if you STILL have a problem, THEN you need to focus on the SOURCE of power in your car... the Alternator and the Battery.
A "Stiffening Capacitor" is a Load to your system, it DOES NOT help! Period!
please DO NOT be fooled by the marketing Hype surrounding this crazy lie.

Now, There are MANY applicable, and CORRECT, uses for Capacitors, they are as MUCH a staple in electronic engineering as are resistors and diodes. BUT they Don't belong in your power chain. LOL.

--Renee



reference material may also be found at:
* http://home.howstuffworks.com/battery.htm (http://www.kinganonymous.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vaG9tZS5ob3dzdHVmZndvcmtzLmNvbS9iY XR0ZXJ5Lmh0bQ%3D%3D&b=31)
* http://www.misterfixit.com/alterntr.htm (http://www.kinganonymous.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vd3d3Lm1pc3RlcmZpeGl0LmNvbS9hbHRlc m50ci5odG0%3D&b=31)
* http://autorepair.about.com/cs/electrical/a/aa122700a.htm (http://www.kinganonymous.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vYXV0b3JlcGFpci5hYm91dC5jb20vY3MvZ WxlY3RyaWNhbC9hL2FhMTIyNzAwYS5odG0%3D&b=31)

Qnz92Lude
11-21-2008, 05:20 PM
Great write up!!!

Cant wait to do this to my lude. Please feel free to post any and all information you feel is helpful. As some of us including myself learn from others and dont have much experience. The details and information are a great tool in helping us understand and allow us to apply it to our ludes and finally do some DIY write ups with out having us stop and scratch are heads in wonder of what to do next.

REP points added.

94 LUDE
11-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Yes great write up Like Qnz said we already have 3 people that want to do this cant wait to get it done!!


Great write up!!!

Cant wait to do this to my lude. Please feel free to post any and all information you feel is helpful. As some of us including myself learn from others and dont have much experience. The details and information are a great tool in helping us understand and allow us to apply it to our ludes and finally do some DIY write ups with out having us stop and scratch are heads in wonder of what to do next.

REP points added.

ogsmakdade
11-21-2008, 09:52 PM
very nice write up, and the following posts were very precise and on point.

LilMsPrelude
11-24-2008, 11:45 AM
I Just GOTTA Bump this thread for a GREAT PRICE on some 1/0 wire.
4256 strand
Street Wires UF020R

20 Feet of 1/0 Wire - red insulation- for JUST $40!!!!!! :eek:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11832_StreetWires+UF020R.html

this is a VERY good deal BTW-- it = about $2.00 / ft.

<or>

$2.75 / ft Shipped to almost anywhere in the US.

starbai
11-25-2008, 11:42 AM
my next project right here.

lordbutz
11-29-2008, 01:42 AM
did you run the alternator to battery wire alond the stock one? it looks complicated to do on my car. i think i'm gona just run it over the fans.

starbai
11-29-2008, 10:54 PM
what i'm concerned with is the alternator to battery wire too.

In a stock H23 Prelude, doesn't that wire go through the fuse box?

How do you go about changing this wire then? I've never looked at the undrside of my fuse box and I do not know how to connect or disconnect wires from it.

Is it fairly simple?

If you're running to the fuse box, I woud assume you would also have to upgrade the wire from the fuse box to the battery right?

Is there a need for changing the fuse in that fuse box too at this point?

I want to upgrade to a higher capacity alternator as I want to start my carputer project soon. -- if I added a 170 amp alternator, how would i do my calculations as to what size fuse to use?

Another question on the high capacity alternator, are there any other wires other than 'these big 3' that would need to be upgraded if that higher capacity alternator is used? Any other concerns I should have? I would think that these big 3 should do it, but any input or advice on that?

Also any suggestions on brands, makes, models of high capacity alternators?





I Just GOTTA Bump this thread for a GREAT PRICE on some 1/0 wire.
4256 strand
Street Wires UF020R

20 Feet of 1/0 Wire - red insulation- for JUST $40!!!!!! :eek:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11832_StreetWires+UF020R.html

this is a VERY good deal BTW-- it = about $2.00 / ft.

<or>

$2.75 / ft Shipped to almost anywhere in the US.
also thanks for this, I just ordered it.

LilMsPrelude
11-30-2008, 10:20 AM
These are VERY Good questions. I am going to break down your statement and answer them to the best of my knowledge.

what i'm concerned with is the alternator to battery wire too.

In a stock H23 Prelude, doesn't that wire go through the fuse box?
Yes, this wire, stock, comes off the alternator, over the timing chain/valve cover, and runs along the back of the engine bay up against the firewall. It the resurfaces on the other side of the car (4 gauge) and goes into the fuse panel.
Here you can see where mine surfaces at the shock tower:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/alt-edit1.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u4/TheDancingDuck/Prelude/alt-edit2.jpg

How do you go about changing this wire then? I've never looked at the underside of my fuse box and I do not know how to connect or disconnect wires from it.

You do NOT need to pull the fuse box, these connections are Right on top. What you Do need to do is add On To this wiring. No matter if you add an additional run of 4AWG or go as big as 1/0. The reason for this is your ECU monitors and maintains the output of the alternator. That extra grouping of wires on the Alt. is evidence of this feature in our car. Also, this is the power wire that Most of your cars standard electrical components are run off of.

Is it fairly simple?

If you're running to the fuse box, I woud assume you would also have to upgrade the wire from the fuse box to the battery right?

ABSOLUTELY!

Is there a need for changing the fuse in that fuse box too at this point?

No, your current draw is NOT changing. (unless your adding additional components--like car amplifiers, etc.) However, you are reducing the resistance, ie; making it MUCH easier for the electricity to go from the Alt to the fuse box to the Battery.

I want to upgrade to a higher capacity alternator as I want to start my carputer project soon. -- if I added a 170 amp alternator, how would i do my calculations as to what size fuse to use?

I am a little confused with this question. Just a little. If you upgrade the alternator, the system will, or should, still see 11 to 14.5 DC Volts.
Lets re-visit the water in a hose, aka Hydraulic analogy.

-The pipe size itself is the resistance.
-The Wire is your hose, or pipe .
-The flow of current would of course be the water in the pipe.
-And the Pressure is the voltage.

So..Amps = the amount of water in the pipe, like having a Larger reservoir, or water tower (depending on where you are from) but the people using the water have not changed their needs, or desire for MORE water; pressure Or quantity of water. What you are doing, in essence is permitting the system to drive a bigger electrical demand if it ever become necessary. (like installing Multiple Hi powered car audio amplifiers) You DO want to make sure this current is available so you can fuse the incoming line itself (for safety reasons) at +/- 10% of the maximum current output. Some, ok, a LOT of people argue the necessity for a fuse on the alternator to Battery/Fuse box line. Others say you ONLY need to fuse the line on the output side, 18" from the battery (standard) and BEFORE it goes through any metal structure.

Another question on the high capacity alternator, are there any other wires other than 'these big 3' that would need to be upgraded if that higher capacity alternator is used? Any other concerns I should have? I would think that these big 3 should do it, but any input or advice on that?

Not really, The big three is an adequate upgrade if Done properly. Wires which carry higher current, are are subject to increased corrosion (read "rust in a metal pipe") over time. It is your call....You CAN replace any or ALL wiring if you so desire. My car was born in 1992, so that makes it 16 years old, when I started my Big Three, I noticed that a LOT of the other high current power wires, like the Battery to starter, was so full of corrosion, it is amazing my car could start at all.

Also any suggestions on brands, makes, models of high capacity alternators?

I have always just paid to have my alternators re-wound. Why, because my curent/stock alternator fits perfectly, both mechanically and electrically {connections} in my car. So I don't really have any brand names for you. You may want to visit www.caraudio.com (http://www.caraudio.com) or www.stevemeadedesigns.com (http://www.stevemeadedesigns.com) BOTH sites are founded on and support the engineering of these massive current systems.




I hope I answered your questions thoroughly. Don't hesitate to write if you need further assistance.
p.s... you are welcome for the link, I found it on one of the Many other forums I frequent and thought ya'all should get to take advantage of it as well.

~Renee