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Old 05-25-2008, 08:49 PM
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Best way to begin h22a4 build?

Picked the car up a couple months ago, looking for a bit more power without boosting this thing. Aside from CAI, headers and exhaust, shes stock. Just wondering where I could start on this engine without having to really dump a whole, whole lot of money in it all at once. Like, parts that aren't gonna have me needing to buy other parts, on parts, on parts in order for it to all come together and still run properly... At least not RIGHT away anyway, as the funds are only so limited, and I'd rather not have the car off the road for any period of time.

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how much money u gonna have to put in the car?
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I'm probably looking at about 1.5 - 2 grand to start off, once the summer rolls around
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upgrade ur suspension and brakes or upgrade ur clutch and flywheel or get some cams
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What would ya suggest for cams? I hear a lot of different things
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I was actually lookin into that last week and I hear a lot about skunk2 and crower. Leaning towards skunk... any reliabilty issues you heard of? would i have any tuning problems with just cams alone for the time being?
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i'm no expert, but if you change cams, shouldn't you upgrade the valve train at the same time? even when changing to type-s cams, i've been told the exhaust valve springs are problematic and should at least be replaced. the intake springs are more durable so you can leave those and pick up an extra set to use as exhaust springs (if you wanna take a cheap route).

but again, i've never done it and have no real experience. just read up on other peoples adventures.

i was thinking about skunk2 cams and gears. is there a big difference between pro1 and stage1?
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if you upgrade cams you need new valves etc. you could do

new of the following;
Valves
springs
retainers
Stage1 skunk2 cams

that is easily 2 grand. depending on if you install of not.
you will also need a tune bro.
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quick question. i have a similar build. i have a 98 prelude and i have cat back headers, cold air intake, and a chip. what are some other "bolt on" parts i can add without a tune?
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quick question. i have a similar build. i have a 98 prelude and i have cat back headers, cold air intake, and a chip. what are some other "bolt on" parts i can add without a tune?
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yeah, If you upgrade cams and such you need to think about valve train, if you upgrade cams, valves and retainers you can also raise your rev limiter..the thing is before you upgrade engine parts you're really going to want some engine management, even with just i/h/e you'll never get the potential for your money if you don't have something to tune it with...
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I can't rember if it was true or not but with the ecu in the 5th gen that it will always try to run like it was stock so u have to have it tuned.
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i would like to know some more suggestions if anyone has one.........
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Well you asked for upgrading your car for performance. If you have already done all the usual bolt on attachments i/h/e. Then I would go with suspension like was mentioned earlier. If you have a really fast car without upgraded suspension and brakes what good is it? Maybe get stainless steel braided brake lines, brembo blank rotors and maybe some EBC brake pads. Do a coilover suspension? But if you are looking into just your motor then your looking at alot of $$$ I think I have priced cams costing $300 each, and thats just parts then springs, valves, retainers new head bolts (studs) high performance headgasket those aren't cheap either. May want to have the deck milled shave the head especially with a high mileage H22. Heck then while you are at it, low compression pistons, crowler rods, have the block re sleeved close the deck. Then you will be ready for boost if you choose to go turbo or supercharger.

Oh and don't forget to have the car tuned, not sure what a tune runs now, but I have a friend that has a Daytona SRT8 and he just paid around $400 for his.

You may want to consider gas prices, if you have to drive great distances I would leave the prelude alone.

Myself I'm picking up a 2003 Honda Rebel 250 I think it gets somewhere around 60 to 70 MPG I'll have to look that up
to be sure..

Okay I checked it out someone in Canada has a 2004 model Rebel and checked his mileage and it gets close to 60 MPG US had to convert from Km to miles and liters to gallons.

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Okay you know I went back and read your title to your post, if you really want my honest opinion on a H22 build your best way if you want little to no downtime is, Find you a used H22 motor one that is not too badly mis used. get you a engine stand, get yourself a long block they call it (engine block with head on it) or find a complete engine might even be cheaper. Plus you'll have plenty of spare parts (always good) Then you have all the time you need for your build while you are waiting on funds for more parts and stuff. Plus once your done you'll have that old H22 that you can put back in if you want to sell, then keep the built H22 and sell that seperately to maximize your profits. Or sell the stock H22 for someone else to have a spare motor to do their build plus you can use that money from the sell to buy your suspension and brake upgrades (cause you'' need them to be able to hold the road and slow that beast down once you build your motor) Just advice plus you can drive your car until the motor build is complete. Just to let you know I swapped motors in my 90 SI (B21A1) in just two days. With no help well I used a engine crane. Plus I installed a new clutch kit and had the flywheel re surfaced. Thats a must as well, I recommend to anyone doing a clutch job to get the flywheel re surfaced.

oh p.s. Make sure you unhook all wires and cables before lifting the engine out. I thought I had all disconnected I couldn't figure out what was holding the motor from coming out more until I walked around and checked the rear part of the engine and saw the O2 sensor wires ripping apart, aahhhh $90 OEM O2 sensor. I tried soldering them but they seemed like a fusable link type wiring and did not work.

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if all you want to put in is 1-2 grand I suggest picking up a used jrsc

when you start messing with engine internals the price is going to go up dramatically...I got a quote on the labor for a complete engine build to be $2k
from a local shop and parts are even more expensive. If you're adding a lot of power you do need to upgrade things like axles, brakes, cooling, clutch, wheels / tires and get a good tune
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if all you want to put in is 1-2 grand I suggest picking up a used jrsc

when you start messing with engine internals the price is going to go up dramatically...I got a quote on the labor for a complete engine build to be $2k
from a local shop and parts are even more expensive. If you're adding a lot of power you do need to upgrade things like axles, brakes, cooling, clutch, wheels / tires and get a good tune

Ditto

It's not uncommon to spend somewhere in the $5K to $7K for a nice engine build.
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lol...i was thinking more along a 10k car...but that is a good idea to get another engine..but is it better to go witha used or rebuilt? or can you find one that is new?
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Re: Best way to begin h22a4 build?

hello ppl i have a 99 prelude sh my motor has a road knock what to know if its best to rebuild it or just buy a used motor and i also want to get more power so what can i do dont have alot of cash i already have cold air intacke headers and a test pipe
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hello ppl i have a 99 prelude sh my motor has a road knock what to know if its best to rebuild it or just buy a used motor and i also want to get more power so what can i do dont have alot of cash i already have cold air intacke headers and a test pipe
used motor...

since it's an sh - you're better off getting the jdm counterpart motor which is a type "___" something. I don't remember.. the info is out there, start diggin

hmotors and a few others are reputable places for a used motor

But be warned, you cannot just use any motor due to you being an SH without further modification and for a newbie, headache
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