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i kno in the 5th gen manual it says to use 91 octane...ive been using 87 since i got the car in december....aruond my way in philly...there is 3 choices of gas...some differ in depends were u go but anyway the most common 3 choice are 87, 89, and 90.....i havnt notice any 91 octane yet prob cuz ive jus careed about using 87...but anyway wat r the differences on the lude for the gas...wat is the mpg wen using 91 compared to 87...cuz right now id say i get about 16mpg and ive got a lil lead foot not big but a lil one haha...i kno the car runs better and longer with better gas but should i switch next time i hit empty?
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yes most def u will notice better power and gas mileage. down here we get 93 octain
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I never looked at those things, if it says premium or the most expensive of the three (4 @ rebel) I get it. I get really good gas mileage, somewhere around 28 I think, maybe even more.
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We have 92 mostly but I do see 93 at a few gas stations.

*Pisst Kozmo98Prelude look at your dash under the speedo.*

Just kidding its your car, I will just say this when it starts getting hotter and you pull out to pass someone and all you can heard even over your exhaust is your valve rattle.

I experienced first hand the difference between using cheaper gas. I used to own a 2nd Gen and a 3rd Gen. So I pulled up to the pump and put in 89 all I got to say is wow. Loss in power, valve noise. I havn't put anything lower than 92 octance since.

Plus to answer your question you will see about a 3 to 4 mpg increase in using 91 or 92 octane.

More if you take your foot off the pedal

If you really want to save on gas try driving 5 mph under the speed limit matter of fact around 50 mph is the best speed to get maximum mpg. I havn't added it up yet I will next fill up but I think I'm getting 35 - 36 mpg.
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We sat down and worked it out the other day. While the numers may be in metric and AU$ the story will be the same.

The difference between PULP and regular ULP is roughly ten cents, so over filling the tank up, costs an extra $4.00-5.00 depending on how empty the fuel tank was.

However the loss in economy sees the amount of fuel used increase to do less kms, and it was worked out that the loss in distance equated to an extra $5-7 per tank.

I think it's a great idea, saving five bucks to spend seven!

Seriously mate, you bought a sports car, don't be a tightarse when it comes to the fuel.
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yes most def u will notice better power and gas mileage. down here we get 93 octain

Both of your comments are wrong. Not trying to be a dick. The reason it calls for 91 is because with slightly high compression the engine will get hotter. A hotter engine can cause predetination in the chamber. Key word being CAN. Octane has nothing to do with power it has to do with the gas stability and ability to keep from predetination.

Also with a high octance gas you will see a slight decline in gas mile but not noticable .5 to 1 mile. Gas mileage is mainly determined by drivers acceleration habbits.

I would only sugest using 91 but if you arnt having any uses using 87 it will be fine. If you ever get a check engine code for knock sensor either put some good octane booster in your gas or if you low on gas put 91 in and you shouldnt have any more knock issues.
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Both of your comments are wrong. Not trying to be a dick. The reason it calls for 91 is because with slightly high compression the engine will get hotter. A hotter engine can cause predetination in the chamber. Key word being CAN. Octane has nothing to do with power it has to do with the gas stability and ability to keep from predetination.

Also with a high octance gas you will see a slight decline in gas mile but not noticable .5 to 1 mile. Gas mileage is mainly determined by drivers acceleration habbits.

I would only sugest using 91 but if you arnt having any uses using 87 it will be fine. If you ever get a check engine code for knock sensor either put some good octane booster in your gas or if you low on gas put 91 in and you shouldnt have any more knock issues.
Yes, the higher octance gas is used because of the higher compression, nothing else...

Use premium...

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Octane ratings are lower in the mountain west due to the effects of thin air on internal combustion. Contrary to widespread belief, the octane rating doesn't indicate how much power the fuel delivers; all grades of gasoline contain roughly the same amount of heat energy. Rather, a higher octane rating means the fuel is less likely to cause your engine to knock or ping. Knock, also known as detonation, occurs when part of the fuel-air mixture in one or more of your car's cylinders ignites spontaneously due to compression, independent of the combustion initiated by the spark plug. The ideal gas law tells us that a gas heats up when compressed. Instead of a controlled burn, you get what amounts to an explosion--not a good thing for your engine. To avoid this, high-octane gas is formulated to burn slower than regular, making it less likely to ignite without benefit of spark.

Higher-performance cars often require midgrade or premium gas because their engines are designed for higher compression (higher compression = more power), and regular gas may cause knock. If your car needs high-octane gas, the manual will say so.

Occasionally you get some genius who takes the opposite tack--he spends an extra 10 or 20 grand buying a high-performance car, then decides he's going to save three bucks per tankful using regular instead of premium as specified. He figures as long as the engine doesn't knock he's OK. Wrong, carbon monoxide brain. Car engines nowadays contain knock sensors that detect detonation and automatically retard the spark to compensate. The delay means maximum gas expansion occurs when the piston is farther along in its downstroke and thus there's more room in the cylinder head. This reduces peak cylinder pressure, eliminating knock but also giving you less power and poorer mileage.
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Yes, the higher octance gas is used because of the higher compression, nothing else...

Use premium...

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Octane ratings are lower in the mountain west due to the effects of thin air on internal combustion. Contrary to widespread belief, the octane rating doesn't indicate how much power the fuel delivers; all grades of gasoline contain roughly the same amount of heat energy. Rather, a higher octane rating means the fuel is less likely to cause your engine to knock or ping. Knock, also known as detonation, occurs when part of the fuel-air mixture in one or more of your car's cylinders ignites spontaneously due to compression, independent of the combustion initiated by the spark plug. The ideal gas law tells us that a gas heats up when compressed. Instead of a controlled burn, you get what amounts to an explosion--not a good thing for your engine. To avoid this, high-octane gas is formulated to burn slower than regular, making it less likely to ignite without benefit of spark.

Higher-performance cars often require midgrade or premium gas because their engines are designed for higher compression (higher compression = more power), and regular gas may cause knock. If your car needs high-octane gas, the manual will say so.

Occasionally you get some genius who takes the opposite tack--he spends an extra 10 or 20 grand buying a high-performance car, then decides he's going to save three bucks per tankful using regular instead of premium as specified. He figures as long as the engine doesn't knock he's OK. Wrong, carbon monoxide brain. Car engines nowadays contain knock sensors that detect detonation and automatically retard the spark to compensate. The delay means maximum gas expansion occurs when the piston is farther along in its downstroke and thus there's more room in the cylinder head. This reduces peak cylinder pressure, eliminating knock but also giving you less power and poorer mileage.
agreed but that is only if the Knock senser pics up something.

I could go into a huge write up about fuels and octane ratings etc etc but it would be long as hell. Ill write one maybe if their is any interest in it
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yea you will notice a big differnce... i hate gas prices now 415 a gal :( i cant afford to fill my lude up most the time....
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Yes, the higher octance gas is used because of the higher compression, nothing else...

Use premium...

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Octane ratings are lower in the mountain west due to the effects of thin air on internal combustion. Contrary to widespread belief, the octane rating doesn't indicate how much power the fuel delivers; all grades of gasoline contain roughly the same amount of heat energy. Rather, a higher octane rating means the fuel is less likely to cause your engine to knock or ping. Knock, also known as detonation, occurs when part of the fuel-air mixture in one or more of your car's cylinders ignites spontaneously due to compression, independent of the combustion initiated by the spark plug. The ideal gas law tells us that a gas heats up when compressed. Instead of a controlled burn, you get what amounts to an explosion--not a good thing for your engine. To avoid this, high-octane gas is formulated to burn slower than regular, making it less likely to ignite without benefit of spark.

Higher-performance cars often require midgrade or premium gas because their engines are designed for higher compression (higher compression = more power), and regular gas may cause knock. If your car needs high-octane gas, the manual will say so.

Occasionally you get some genius who takes the opposite tack--he spends an extra 10 or 20 grand buying a high-performance car, then decides he's going to save three bucks per tankful using regular instead of premium as specified. He figures as long as the engine doesn't knock he's OK. Wrong, carbon monoxide brain. Car engines nowadays contain knock sensors that detect detonation and automatically retard the spark to compensate. The delay means maximum gas expansion occurs when the piston is farther along in its downstroke and thus there's more room in the cylinder head. This reduces peak cylinder pressure, eliminating knock but also giving you less power and poorer mileage.
So the only thing bad about buying 87 is less hp and poorer mileage?
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imo its actually bad for the engine because the fuel doesnt fire at the right time as if you were to put in 91+ so its a little harder on the engine... thats were the less power and mpg come from

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and its not really the the hole engine, just the valve train... if you do it a lot you could end up getting carbon deposits faster on the valve seat of your exhaust, which in over time could make it so your loose compression... n that can be a hassle.... but remember it might not always happen like this... this is just what happened in my case... n it happend in about 10 month period

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so basically puttin in the more expensive gas and only payin about 20cents more a gallon it will pay for its self
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so basically puttin in the more expensive gas and only payin about 20cents more a gallon it will pay for its self
exactly...


my grandfather told me this when i got my drivers license but I didn't understand it at the time..
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i guess ill start using better gas
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Yes, the higher octance gas is used because of the higher compression, nothing else...

Use premium...

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Octane ratings are lower in the mountain west due to the effects of thin air on internal combustion. Contrary to widespread belief, the octane rating doesn't indicate how much power the fuel delivers; all grades of gasoline contain roughly the same amount of heat energy. Rather, a higher octane rating means the fuel is less likely to cause your engine to knock or ping. Knock, also known as detonation, occurs when part of the fuel-air mixture in one or more of your car's cylinders ignites spontaneously due to compression, independent of the combustion initiated by the spark plug. The ideal gas law tells us that a gas heats up when compressed. Instead of a controlled burn, you get what amounts to an explosion--not a good thing for your engine. To avoid this, high-octane gas is formulated to burn slower than regular, making it less likely to ignite without benefit of spark.

Higher-performance cars often require midgrade or premium gas because their engines are designed for higher compression (higher compression = more power), and regular gas may cause knock. If your car needs high-octane gas, the manual will say so.

Occasionally you get some genius who takes the opposite tack--he spends an extra 10 or 20 grand buying a high-performance car, then decides he's going to save three bucks per tankful using regular instead of premium as specified. He figures as long as the engine doesn't knock he's OK. Wrong, carbon monoxide brain. Car engines nowadays contain knock sensors that detect detonation and automatically retard the spark to compensate. The delay means maximum gas expansion occurs when the piston is farther along in its downstroke and thus there's more room in the cylinder head. This reduces peak cylinder pressure, eliminating knock but also giving you less power and poorer mileage.

Im sorry guys but this guy here ^^ is completely correct. Just because u picked up knock doesnt mean your getting a code. In MOST cases. U will not get a code at all unless it can not be fixed by retarding the timing. If your computer picks up knock ( ping ) It WILL retard timing. If it retards and the knocking and pinging stops. It will not throw a code. Instead. All OBD2 will log this infomation and reuse it on on next start ups and drives. This will cause you to have less power and less gas mileage which in return... your car will run alittle more safe in its condition. Your computers are not as dumb as you think. That info that is logged will not leave until its reset.

So.. in the end. Always use recommanded gas.
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So.. in the end. Always use recommanded gas.
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I don't even feel like getting into this discussion. if you want to buy cheap gas sell the lude and go buy a heavy chevy or something. do not buy a sports car with high compressiom.
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yea but sad thing is with that statement is that you tell some one you own a sports car buy Honda n they laugh =/ freaking ridiculous.. untill you fly right buy them on a pull...
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been Pretty good just going to school n such throwing away 16k that could of been in the lude but yea know how that goes
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been Pretty good just going to school n such throwing away 16k that could of been in the lude but yea know how that goes
it will be worth it when you have a good career. spend a little now, make a lot later than you'll have plenty for the lude. OT but hey, wudayagunado
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yea.. that was the idea half way thur the year, but then i felt like i was getting dumber n dumber cause i had already taking 2 years of votech school for the samething... maybe i should of went for auto or colision instead of another diesel class
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yea.. that was the idea half way thur the year, but then i felt like i was getting dumber n dumber cause i had already taking 2 years of votech school for the samething... maybe i should of went for auto or colision instead of another diesel class
A diesel machanic makes alot more money.
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Yes that is true, however to find a good busy shop is the problem... I have 2 years under my belt allready so im not too worried about that im just worryed about finding a job in a the feild that has the sucurity that is much needed... im thinking about going to ITT maybe in a couple years when i start making money and actually get a degree in maybe communications or some kinda computer tech.. not really sure but i know that i dont wanna stay in the diesel feild cause the auto market is struggling really bad. n i think were gonna go in to a depressioin soon sense everything is being jacked up...
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