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Rev limiter

Heyo guys, so i've got a bit of a problem.

Sometimes in 1st 2nd and 3rd gear it won't allow me to rev all the way to 7200 RPM

I've cleaned my vtec solonoid, and still happens, it's happened ever since i got my VAFC tuned, (tuned on a dyno, by an experienced person)

He checked my map sensor, and all my sensors, and everything works fine.

So I'm not to sure on why this is happening. and yes, i have the perfect amount of oil in it, and yes the engine was warmed up. for mods i've got. Cold Air intake, exhaust (no cat), headers.

The guy at the tuning shop said that he didn't tune it too aggressively either.
So im kinda stuck here, perhaps the cold air intake was a bit wet?... but it happens when it's not wet outside either.
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no its not b.c of ur intake. it has to be something to do with the tune and/or the vafc setup because the limiter is controlled by the computer

btw its a header on a 4 banger
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did this start after you had it tuned?
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Yes, it happens randomly
and, yes it did start to happen after my tune.

As for a tune up, the only thing i have left to be done that hasn't is my fuel filter.
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it revs all the way to 5500 RPM
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Sounds like he tuned poorly to me... possibly tuned your vtec crossover badly? That's right around where vtec kicks in on a stock application.
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I have no idea, he's tune plenty of engine before, and he was the owner of the shop. i think he set the vtec crossover point at like 4500, but im unsure.
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Call him up and ask him if he'll take a look into it for you... How long has it been since he initially tuned it? If he's a reputable tuner he'll probably take a look into it for free.
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I have no idea, he's tune plenty of engine before, and he was the owner of the shop. i think he set the vtec crossover point at like 4500, but im unsure.
Hmm thats strange. But I think 4500 is actually too low for vtec anyways. I could be wrong but don't you sacrifice low end power when you do that? Also does he know about it?
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Yes, i went to him and told him, and he checked my map sensor i believe it was, ( the one where you pull the panel on the passenger side where their feet go) he checked that, and said that the Vafc was hooked up properly, but i will probably go back to him and see if he's knows anything else about it.
4500 isn't that low, some people put them a lot lower. I've got my Dyno chart if that helps, the thing was pushing 172.6 i think it was.
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Yes, i went to him and told him, and he checked my map sensor i believe it was, ( the one where you pull the panel on the passenger side where their feet go) he checked that, and said that the Vafc was hooked up properly, but i will probably go back to him and see if he's knows anything else about it.
4500 isn't that low, some people put them a lot lower. I've got my Dyno chart if that helps, the thing was pushing 172.6 i think it was.
MAP is Manifold Absolute Pressure, what he was checking is your ECU (engine control unit).

Also.. 4500 is pretty low, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. To properly set a vtec crossover, the best place for Vtec to hit is right where your torque curves cross over each other.

In other words... the proper way to tune it would be to tune it with the vtec crossover set very high so that it never engages... and then tune it again with vtec set very low so it is always engaged... then you take your dyno printouts from the two tuning sessions, and overlay the torque curves on top of eachother. The vtec crossover point should be right where your two torque curves intersect eachother.

The reason for this, is you will see that on your two dyno plots, that your low-rpm torque curve is much better on the dyno plot with no-vtec engagement... and the high-rpm torque curve is better on the one where vtec is engaged the whole time... Therefore... you set the vtec crossover point directly at the point on the vtec dyno graph where the torque output starts to outperform the non-vtec dyno graph, and you get the best of both worlds... good low end turque out of vtec... and good high end torque in vtec =P

I know it's a little confusing, but you get it?
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Yeah i understand what you mean, somewhat, would you be able to tell by my dyno graph to see if he did it alright?
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Yeah i understand what you mean, somewhat, would you be able to tell by my dyno graph to see if he did it alright?
Well.. if he did it right, there'd be at least 3 dyno graphs total. One with vtec engaged the whole time... one with vtec never engaged... and then the one where the vtec crossover is set and the car is finally fully tuned.
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Yeah he gave me three graphs, ahhhh this is frustrating..
I think the problem might be that the car was tuned before he tuned it.
and then he re-tuned it?
im gonna go talk to him today...
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ahhh this is very annoying this is still doing this to me, as i said it only does it sometimes,

from second the 3rd it will rev out at 6000 RPm?
any other ideas/
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MAP is Manifold Absolute Pressure, what he was checking is your ECU (engine control unit).

Also.. 4500 is pretty low, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. To properly set a vtec crossover, the best place for Vtec to hit is right where your torque curves cross over each other.

In other words... the proper way to tune it would be to tune it with the vtec crossover set very high so that it never engages... and then tune it again with vtec set very low so it is always engaged... then you take your dyno printouts from the two tuning sessions, and overlay the torque curves on top of eachother. The vtec crossover point should be right where your two torque curves intersect eachother.

The reason for this, is you will see that on your two dyno plots, that your low-rpm torque curve is much better on the dyno plot with no-vtec engagement... and the high-rpm torque curve is better on the one where vtec is engaged the whole time... Therefore... you set the vtec crossover point directly at the point on the vtec dyno graph where the torque output starts to outperform the non-vtec dyno graph, and you get the best of both worlds... good low end turque out of vtec... and good high end torque in vtec =P

I know it's a little confusing, but you get it?
because the vafc is tied to the ecu to interrupt the signal from the map sensor and vtec solenoid.

You dont necessarily have to remove vtec and then set vtec low. A tuner can typicaly get a general idea of where vtec needs to be based on the first pull.

No check engine lights? Clean your vtec solenoid and make sure the knock sensor is not damaged.
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because the vafc is tied to the ecu to interrupt the signal from the map sensor and vtec solenoid.

You dont necessarily have to remove vtec and then set vtec low. A tuner can typicaly get a general idea of where vtec needs to be based on the first pull.

No check engine lights? Clean your vtec solenoid and make sure the knock sensor is not damaged.
Whew, I guess I didn't fudge up my explanation too bad, because Blake would have definitely let my ass hear about it! =).

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Well,
1) no check engine lights
2) I have cleaned my vtec solonoid.
3) check the knock sensor it was fine, there was a bit of oil on the boot, but no damage.


Any other ideas?
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Heyo guys, so i've got a bit of a problem.

Sometimes in 1st 2nd and 3rd gear it won't allow me to rev all the way to 7200 RPM

He checked my map sensor, and all my sensors, and everything works fine.
how did he check to see if all the sensors work fine? Upon the install of the vafc, were the wires soldered and shrink wrapped? Did the tuner install the vafc or was it previously installed? Where is the vtec crossover set?
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Well, all of the sensors on the Sensor screen of the vafc were fine, the wires were soldered (i think) because the blinking light thing (sorry don't know what it's called) is taped all around. The VAFC was Previously installed in the car when i bought it, it was tuned a small bit, then the tuner i went to, retuned it.

I have the graphs if they will help? Im not sure really where vtec engages, i believe it's 4600 or somewhere around there.
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check your oil.

does the check engine light come on when you turn the ignition on then go off after the fuel pump primes?
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oil level is fine, i always check that since h22's are known for burning oil.


you mean turn the key to the on positiona and see if the check engine light is on?

Pretty sure all the lights go on, don't they? I'm not sure. i'll have to double check
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oil level is fine, i always check that since h22's are known for burning oil.


you mean turn the key to the on positiona and see if the check engine light is on?

Pretty sure all the lights go on, don't they? I'm not sure. i'll have to double check
when you turn the ignition "on" the check engine light should come on for a few seconds while the pump primes and then you hear a click (the click is the main relay turning off the fuel pump) and the check engine light should go off.

If it does not come on, then you likely have a burnt out bulb.

I'm just trying to get to the point that i know exactly what is going on and this isnt some stupid mistake like a bulb being out.
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Heyo, yes, all the lights come on, then when I leave the key to the On position for a few more seconds they all turn off, and the SRS light is on, and ABS lights, and then the Break light. then when i turn the car on they all go off.
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for the hell of it, go into the vtec settings and put H-L to 5200 and L-H to 4800. Write down where the previous settings were.
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