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Atts in a base???

Would it be possible to put all the ATTS components in a base model 5th gen??
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holy crap, i was about to make a thread with that same question
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search my atts thread u would have to swap all of those component and sensors and get a new cluster also jsut for it to work alot of work id reccoment a lsd wap alot less work and weighs alot less
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lsd Wap whats that????
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Limited slip differential. Don't really know much about it but I heard that it gives the same amount of torque to each drive wheel. If not, some one correct me I'm not sure. How do you put lsd in your tranny do you just buy it and have your tranny shop install it or what?
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i can only assume but they probly gadda put more into it than that.
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A Standard limited slip diff, as fitted to the majority of cars allows the two driven wheels to rotate at different speeds while delivering the same torque to each wheel. The wheels need to travel at different speeds when the car is cornering as the outside wheel has to travel a greater distance than the inside wheel. The down side is if you live wear ice and snow, have u ever seen a car stuck in mud? One tire spines and the other just sits there. Can do the same thing if you have a lot of rain that sits on the road
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Not To Seem Like An Ass But The Guy With The Type S Badge Should Know Wat An Lsd Is An Yeah Lsd Tranny Is All U Need Atts Is A Very Complicated System Check Out My Atts Threads
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What it comes down to, is that ATTS is a computer controlled electromechanical version of an LSD... It is what's referred to as an "active" differential. It polls many sensors including steering angle, yaw rate, wheel speed, and others, and then the computer makes an on the fly decission as to how the torque should be transfered to the wheels appropriately. Hence the term "Active Torque Transfer System".

You should do some research first of all into whether you really need an LSD or ATTS. I.E.: What will you be using your car for? Will you be autocrossing or track racing frequently?

After you decide that you need an LSD or ATTS... you need to figure out which one you'd rather have... The ATTS has some major disadvantages over a mechanical type LSD. An LSD is purely mechanical and is a much less complex system which makes it less prone to failure due to the failure of separate components. Also, the ATTS system becomes useless when your torque output goes higher than a certain limit (I believe somewhere in the 180 range of ft-lbs of torque), and will start to intermitently fail, making the car dangerous to drive.

On top of that, the ATTS system alone (just the differential itself) is just as expensive as, if not more than, a mechanical LSD. Couple that with the fact that you will need to get the ATTS computer, all of the speed sensors, yaw sensors, steering angle sensors, and I think even a Type S (or SH) ECU, and you're looking at a much more expensive setup, that will be much harder (and more expensive) to install... Oh, and I almost forgot that to run the ATTS, you need a different transmission than base (base tranny is M2Y4, SH/S tranny is M2U4), and need either a Type S or Type SH engine block. A base engine block will not allow for the attaching of the M2U4 transmission... It is often overlooked that the Type SH/Type S block is indeed different than the base block... don't let anyone ever tell you any different. Internally they are the same, but externally they are different in a few places... one of which is where the transmission bolts up. An LSD can be added to the M2Y4 base transmission easily, and can also be found on the M2B4 transmission as original equipment, and does not requre a Type S/SH block.

As far as the performance of them goes... they do almost the same function. From what I understand, an LSD performs better on tight hairpin type turns, and the ATTS outshines the LSD on long wider turns (think: highway on ramps).

So... in a word... no... an ATTS system can not be just thrown onto a base...it can be done... but it's really not worth it...

Oh.. and the question about installing an LSD... that's pretty much right on the money... You simply buy the LSD and a qualified transmission shop can install it.


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Why should he know what an LSD is? Type S 5th gen's didn't have an LSD, they had ATTS. The SiR S-Spec had the LSD option =P

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I'd like to mention another terrible disadvantage of the ATTS system. If and when it fails (My ATTS control unit went haywire), it is all considered Honda "special equipment" and can only be repaired/serviced by a honda stealership. Also, the control unit alone is almost a grand. And another 2-300 bones in labor. So, I definitely would not recommend ATTS at all. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Bases are better anyways.


I wish I had done a little more research and gotten a base. Boost what?
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Not to mention that the ATTS also had a different ratio steering rack, and ATTS only works when you're turning. Which is why I'd prefer an LSD, because ATTS won't stop the open wheeler differential from smoking one wheel out of a corner.
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will an LSD allow power to be transmitted to both wheels, for example, if your doing a standstill both wheels spin instead of one,
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Kinda. An LSD will transmit torque to the non-spinning wheel, which sometimes results in both wheels spinning, and in a situation where there is an equal amount of slip, both wheels will spin.

But why would you want to submit your car to such punishment?
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i meant that just as an example, i really meant like, if your launching, are you gonna have both front wheels pulling you forward or just the one as with a closed differential
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Both. That's the main reason as to why a would prefer a LSD setup to ATTS, because at the end of the day, it's still an open wheeler diff if you're not turning.

Though having said that, there is a certain satisfaction that you get when you're going hard at it, and you exit a corner with your inside front wheel spinning...
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even though the sh model has positive tranction both wheels are not pulling you forward in a straight line. From owning both ATTS and LSD I'll take LSD all day long.


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So basically, LSD only really helps when your getting off the line? And ATTS works when making turns?
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So basically, LSD only really helps when your getting off the line? And ATTS works when making turns?
read it again because you're way off.
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OK I got it now, I was reading somewhere else when it was stating that LSD is just good for the line. But does the LSD have a specific limit like with the ATTS?
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I have a quaife LSD and I'm pushing 250whp.
What kind of power are you planning to make?
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What kind of power are you planning to make?
I'm not looking more towards power, but towards the drive, the experience. I hear that from ATTS, some people say that it gives that feel of a RWD and its make the driving experience more fun. So I'm just trying to see whats the best or better option.
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Re: Atts in a base???

For a base there is no option. Well other than an OEM LSD box (SiR S Spec, Euro-R, etc.) vs. an aftermarket LSD. Fitting ATTS to a non ATTS car would involve an impractical amount of work.
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I'm not looking more towards power, but towards the drive, the experience. I hear that from ATTS, some people say that it gives that feel of a RWD and its make the driving experience more fun. So I'm just trying to see whats the best or better option.
personal preference, you'll have to drive it to know.
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