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What's a N/A car?

So I keep seeing people sa "NA" or N/A". What's a N/A car?
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na or n/a simply means naturally aspirated. meaning it is allllllll motor. no forced induction (turbo, supercharged)
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Oh, okay. That makes sense. Doesn't turbo give you lag anyways. My prelude isn't all that fast above 100mph but from 0-60 I haven't lost on the street. Seems like the whole idea of the prelude is to be fast off the line.
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no problem. and no not all turbos have lag. smaller turbos have less lag bcuz they spool up faster than larger turbos.
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n/a= approximately $8000 to get 240whp....
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in reality all of that is true

it all comes down in the to your own personal preference. once you start learning about n/a and turbo, you'll learn n/a vs. turbo and the advantages. HOWEVER, with enough money and knowledge the sky is the limit.
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n/a= approximately $8000 to get 240whp....
you're way off lol.
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Correct. Smaller turbos do spool up faster than bigger ones, but also yield less hp and don't have the top end like the big turbos.
And no, the prelude isn't meant to be fast off the line. It's meant to be fast through the curves.
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Yeah... the prelude is like a lame dog off the line... It's got nowhere near enough torque, and seriously needs to go on a diet...

It's not that quick until you hit v-tec... and it's not truly fast until you start winding through turns and watch other, less nimble cars, start to fade away in your rear view.

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n/a= approximately $8000 to get 240whp....
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whos all n/a here or whos all 4 turbo? jus curious
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n/a= approximately $8000 to get 240whp....
You might wanna talk to Daryl about that tidbit of info. He might have a different number(s).




NA Here. I'm goin boost on the SS, when it FINALLY becomes mine this summer.
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oh, my bad just exaggerating a lil bit...LOL but thats what ive heard, youll spend more money to get like 240whp on n/a, rather than to go out and get a turbo for a lot less and get the same or 30-40whp more (turbonetics kit)...i read in honda tuning magazine awhile back, how much money it took them, and the only put out like 230-240whp...its too much for too little for me, but then again it has its advantages i guess
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I still don't understand why N/A is so much more expensive then F/I. I are we talking about F/I with out lowering the compression? In that case it makes sense, but if you're going to do something do it right. i.e. internals.
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N/A is alot more involved (and in turn, expensive) because your trying to extract every single half a horsepower out of the motor, by doing little things like eliminating the balancer shafts, ligtening the entire rotating assembly, and every single engine mod you can think of. But once you have done everything imaginable, your power has basically plateau'd.

with F/I, you simply turn up the boost and watch the power increase (I wish it was actually that cut and dry, haha)
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Personally, I've never boosted a car. But i imagine, maybe in Neck's case, it goes like this: strap the turbo in, start the car...drive the car...turn the boost higher and higher...BOOM...new motor...put turbo on new motor, drive the car...turn the boost up...BOOM. New engine.

Did I get it about right neck?
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well, ima use skunk2 as an example for the internal...all approximate
cams=$750
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valve springs and retainers=$600
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all equals to be $2730, thats just the parts, you still need something to tune(aem, greddy etc...) and to rung the higher compression you need at least a 3in exhaust if you do not have one(going off of honda tuning mag.) a better header than dc sports....thats gonna be well over $4000 to just get quality parts....
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In some cases... 8k might even be conservative for a proper n/a build lol.

When you do a proper N/A build... you are seriously changing the original design of the engine completely, making it do things it was never ever meant to do from the factory. It takes lots of time and money and skill to do this right without destroying your motor in under 100 miles lol.

F/I you're not really changing anywhere near as much of the engine design as you are with a good N/A build. In laymans terms you're just pushing more air/fuel into your motor... it's a lot less complicated (but you should still do it right and build your motor anyway).

N/A is just more of an elite status thing... anyone can bolt 100 hp onto any engine lol (it might not be reliable.. but it's not difficult)... but not anyone can properly build a 2.2L H22 into a 2.5 liter 335+bhp n/a monster.

For instance: The company that did Daryl's build, sells 335hp stroked h22s for 11000+ dollars. And that's not even ready to just drop in and drive away... it's closer to 20,000 dollars to be able to drop one in and drive away.

For a fraction of that cost, you can slap a giant turbocharger on your h22 and get even more horsepower... you just won't be as elite... and people's mouths won't water when they see your work of art.
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Or if anyone wants my cams, their 600 shipped....or my cam gears for 250 shipped..

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Personally, I've never boosted a car. But i imagine, maybe in Neck's case, it goes like this: strap the turbo in, start the car...drive the car...turn the boost higher and higher...BOOM...new motor...put turbo on new motor, drive the car...turn the boost up...BOOM. New engine.

Did I get it about right neck?
WAYYY off, actually. I never even had a boost controller to turn the boost up with. First one went ka-blewie because I starved the engine of oil from blowing the earl pump. Second motor wasn't even boosted. It was just my stroke of luck with a $300 H23
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hey, he asked


i think this is the most in depth any thread on PZ has ever gotten, with such a simple question like "whats N/A?"
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well, ima use skunk2 as an example for the internal...all approximate
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all equals to be $2730, thats just the parts, you still need something to tune(aem, greddy etc...) and to rung the higher compression you need at least a 3in exhaust if you do not have one(going off of honda tuning mag.) a better header than dc sports....thats gonna be well over $4000 to just get quality parts....
Don't forget sleeving the block (labor + sleeves).

Stock sleeves are FRM and don't like forged pistons very much.

Even if you were to keep stock sleeves, the walls need to be honed at the very least.
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