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Old 02-24-2008, 11:14 PM
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Yeah as the title says im getting hid's this week, im trying to decide which ones i want to get the 6000k or the 8000k? Help me make my decision.
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if your lookin for just bright white i would get the 6ks if ur lookin for the Escalade blue or really good lights there the 8ks me personally i like the 8s
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How much useable light do you want on the road?

But in all seriousness, don't put HID in a Lude unless they are retro-fitted lamps. The glare for on coming traffic is terrible and can cause an accident.

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How much useable light do you want on the road?

But in all seriousness, don't put HID in a Lude unless they are retro-fitted lamps. The glare for on coming traffic is terrible and can cause an accident.

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100% accurate post! ^^^

HID bulbs in Halogen headlights will blind oncoming cars, ask for cops to pull you over and not put that much more light on the road than stock.

That said if you do put HID bulbs in your headlights without retrofitting projectors stick with 6000K.

anything over 6000K is rice and will actually put LESS light out! Anyone who says 8000K is not rice is a ricer in denial.

Here's some pics I've taken over the years with my HID retrofitting projects:

This first picture is 8000K HID in a prelude headlight:


This picture from the same location is a single BMW 3-series HID projector retrofit in a prelude headlight using 4300K (OEM BMW HID) bulbs:


The glare you get with an HID kit in a prelude headlight:

It should not be shining that high!

The razor sharp cutoff of HID projectors:


Do you really want 8000K?

Do you really want HID's without HID projectors?
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omg, i've been WAITING to see the difference in light output between plug and play HIDs and actual retrofits. i knew it was gonna be drastic, but thats an insane difference!!!!!1

i mean for the time being my 7000K HID's are decent, but i def will be in the market for some retro's within the next year.

thank you very much bro!
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yet another argument for his master services. how much for some tsx retros for my 5th gen man?
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so i guess im rice then huh...?? just look at my sig, thats 8k, but i have projectors.. i maybe pushin the rice issue, but i likem.. any who, im gettin new headlights pretty soon.... he is right about blinding peeps tho, my friend hasem in his civic with no projectors and their not a pleasant view for the other drivers on the road
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Thank's JLude.

I figure I may as well throw some retro pics up as well. Hehe.

These are TSX retro's as well. Some pics also show the USDM fogs with 3000k PIAA 85W bulbs.

TSX retro only



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beautiful. who did your retro mike?
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beautiful. who did your retro mike?
It was the 4th set of TSX retro's prelude1897 (Brian) did back a few years ago now.

Either him or JLude is qualified to do it and both do great work. Either of them can make your car see more clearly with the Lasik surgery they can perform.

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anything over 6000K is rice and will actually put LESS light out!
Yeah its true i have 12k, thank god there not as bright as the others because i would be blinding others every night, there purple so it doesn't bother oncomming that much seeming its a dense color and not bright like a white color or blue. Im going to 6k, personally i don't look at myself as rice but i do in fact hate that i got 12k
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anything over 6000K is rice and will actually put LESS light out! Anyone who says 8000K is not rice is a ricer in denial.
well... guess im on the rice list... i have 10k HID's in my 3rd gen. but mine dont blind ppl cuz i angled my headlight housing down!
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8000K HID's are okay, but right, the higher the color temp, the less light you put out. I'm running 6000K HID's right now but hope for a retro sometime... I just can't bring myself to spend all that money, knowing if i get in an accident, insurance won't give me **** for them.
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8000K HID's are okay, but right, the higher the color temp, the less light you put out. I'm running 6000K HID's right now but hope for a retro sometime... I just can't bring myself to spend all that money, knowing if i get in an accident, insurance won't give me **** for them.
Thats a great point! Your up a creek with out a paddle shelling out another grand to have retros done again.

I personally completely understand the difference between retro and p-n-p kits and am kindof a lighting nut. I dont know of a good option for a 5g lude. Any halogen bulb sucks, the high beam pattern is essentially worthless on a 4 lane highway. I went with legit 100w bulbs wired through a relay and they burned out because the tiny little h1 bulb appearantly doesnt have enough gas to keep the filiment cool. I have some piaa 540 driving lights mounted behind the bumper cover (awesome by the way) but low beams kinda suck. Especially compared with my fiances 05 civic with piaa gtx bulbs and my 02 tacoma i had with piaa gtxs. Anyone have some options that arent 1000 bucks?
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8000K HID's are okay, but right, the higher the color temp, the less light you put out. I'm running 6000K HID's right now but hope for a retro sometime... I just can't bring myself to spend all that money, knowing if i get in an accident, insurance won't give me **** for them.
That is not true.

You can get extra coverage to cover them. A friend of mine with an 07 Si got into an accident. His car had TSX retro's and one was damaged.

The insurance company paid for a new lamp from Honda, and for it to be retrofitted by the company that he had them done by.

He carries an extra $1500.00 in coverage for aftermarket parts on the car.

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I've had 2 guys come back to me and redo their lights because they were in an accident, and I of course wrote them a receipt so that they could give it to their insurance companies and they wrote them a check in the full amount they paid to have their lights done....
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imo, just get some white bulbs if ya cant afford a retro,
yes, no?
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Ok, 2 questions:

1. What happens to the high beams if you do a TSX retro on a 5th gen?

2. 4300k vs. 6000k vs. 8000k.....can someone give a good description of how brightness and color vary between the different ratings?

in the pic above it looks like both the 4300k and the 8000k are brighter than the 6000k but it's hard to tell b/c of the color difference.
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the 8000K doesnt look brighter in that picture BECAUSE of the color difference IMO
www.higherlevelauto.com/photos has plenty of photos but mostly of 8000K though
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I keep hearing of TSX retros, but what about the S2000 retro? I've never seen any pics of cutoff or anything.
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1. What happens to the high beams if you do a TSX retro on a 5th gen?

2. 4300k vs. 6000k vs. 8000k.....can someone give a good description of how brightness and color vary between the different ratings?

in the pic above it looks like both the 4300k and the 8000k are brighter than the 6000k but it's hard to tell b/c of the color difference.
Honestly I don't use my brights as the fogs turn off. It is almost as bright without the brights but much more directed to where you need the light.

4300K is what I have in my Lude. Lights up the road great.

A friend of mine runs 6000K or 8000K not sure in his Denali, they are more blue than mine but have nowhere near the light out put the 4300K does.

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I keep hearing of TSX retros, but what about the S2000 retro? I've never seen any pics of cutoff or anything.
Before the TSX they used todo alot of the Valeo E46 projectors. A few people have done S2K projectors but they are a pain to do. They are a bigger projector and do not have mounting holes like the E46's or TSX projectors.

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just wondering what the cutoff looked like, because brian does s2k retros for cheaper than the tsx
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just wondering what the cutoff looked like, because brian does s2k retros for cheaper than the tsx
LOL. Since when?

He is one of like 3 people to have done it and he has only done 2 sets I know of. Both sets took way more time to do than the TSX setup.

I do talk to him rather regularly too and I am sure he would have said something if he had done more.

I know for fact he charges more for the S2K setup. Also you need to find all the parts and send them to him for him to do a set.

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i had 8000k hid's in my 5th gen and got really pissed off with the glare they give off..i soon changed my mind and went for a tsx retrofit from brian..though i have to say the hid's on reflector lenses light up the road really well as long as they are angled correctly. and i believe brian does charge more for the tsx than the s2k
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LOL. Since when?

He is one of like 3 people to have done it and he has only done 2 sets I know of. Both sets took way more time to do than the TSX setup.

I do talk to him rather regularly too and I am sure he would have said something if he had done more.

I know for fact he charges more for the S2K setup. Also you need to find all the parts and send them to him for him to do a set.

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I guess you missed the post right above yours.

I actually just got off the phone with Brian (Prelude1897). He laughed very hard when I asked when the price of an S2K setup went down in price and heard it was cheaper than a TSX setup.

He will be posting in here as soon as he is out of school for the day to clear this matter up since people can't seem to accept my word on this. He does NOT want people to get the wrong info which is what you are doing.

S2K costs MORE than a TSX setup from him.

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Ok, 2 questions:

1. What happens to the high beams if you do a TSX retro on a 5th gen?

2. 4300k vs. 6000k vs. 8000k.....can someone give a good description of how brightness and color vary between the different ratings?

in the pic above it looks like both the 4300k and the 8000k are brighter than the 6000k but it's hard to tell b/c of the color difference.
1. Your stock high beams are still fully functional as well as the stock adjusting screws

2. 4300k is what comes on cars equipped with HIDs straight from the factory. 6000k will have more of a blue tint, 8000k is just too much and will really lose light output. The higher the Kelvin rating, the more blue/violet the light will be

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I keep hearing of TSX retros, but what about the S2000 retro? I've never seen any pics of cutoff or anything.
Whomever is telling you this is 100% wrong, cause TSX's are cheaper than S2K's cause S2K projectors themselves cost anywhere between $350-$400 a pair when TSX's cost anywhere from $120-$160 give or take. The cutoff's are very similar, but the S2K's have a sharper cutoff as well as more blue/purple color flicker

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just wondering what the cutoff looked like, because brian does s2k retros for cheaper than the tsx
My S2K retro's cost more than my TSX setup
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Hey Brian, how hard is it really to do a retro-fit? I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything... but I'd like to try it myself, and you seem to be the one to ask for advice. I have seen a few DIY retro articles, and they seem pretty straight forward. The only part that scares me, is cutting good looking shrouds (sp) so that they look good and people can't see the hole cut into the headlight housing.

What would it cost me for all the necessary parts, and do you know anyplace good/reliable to get them?

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My order for a TSX retro will be coming very soon bud. So get your dancin' shoes out, cuz its time to boogie.
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Hey Brian, how hard is it really to do a retro-fit? I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything... but I'd like to try it myself, and you seem to be the one to ask for advice. I have seen a few DIY retro articles, and they seem pretty straight forward. The only part that scares me, is cutting good looking shrouds (sp) so that they look good and people can't see the hole cut into the headlight housing.

What would it cost me for all the necessary parts, and do you know anyplace good/reliable to get them?

PM me later when you get a chance... thanks bro.
Doing retrofits aren't all that hard for me now since I"ve been doing them for so long. Only hard thing for me is when I get new lights that I've never done before. I usually get my parts from reliable sources or ebay.
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