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Old 02-10-2008, 10:05 PM
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projector headlights question....

i dont know much about headlights....i seen projectors go for 600 bucks or so, but then there the ebay ones....what is the difference?
i found these and thought they were pretty cool looking...anyone tell me the difference between these and the super expensive ones? thanks....
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i actually have a set of these, chrome, im installing right now. i think the high and low beams are switched on these, but thats minor. they look really good. they use the same bulbs too.
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so you recommend them?
i prefer "GO" then "show"....but i think they look so sweat!!!
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i got them for go. i like the light the projectors put out. like i said a little wiring is needed. id go for them. ill try and get a picture up tommorrow.
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see now, do the ebay ones actually use HID bulbs? i find it odd how you hear about all these prelude owners who have these headlights, but never have any pictures of how the light looks as far as the output and beam pattern are concerned. which makes me think it's not all that great. i was looking at the ones on ebay, it says bulb application: H1. which is a halogen bulb and doesn't offer any extra light output in a projector housing. in fact it will probably limit the light output and actually make it worse. if you understand how a projector works, you would understand what i mean.

performance wise (light output and beam pattern), there is a reason why the ebay ones are cheap and the ones you get from brian or jlude are more expensive. because they offer the same performance that a real projector headlight offers.

generally, a retrofit will go for 500-600 bucks IIRC. but the really expensive ones are like the ones i have that go for 800, are the TSX headlights. which are known to be probably the 2nd best headlight you can put in a prelude housing (s2k=#1). but the cheaper set up will suffice as far as quality of light output. TSX just has a much wider beam pattern and is a tad brighter then the cheaper E46 setup.

on top of all that, brian and jlude use the quality parts built by the manufacture like bmw or honda/acura which accounts for most of the price. the ones sold on ebay are not built with any OEM products. so they're not built with the same specifications that OEM products are built with. which means they are cheaper in quality and, well, don't expect them to last. expect them to fog up and get water in them.

really, when you buy a retrofit from brian or jlude, what you're paying for is quality OEM products, top of the line light output and superb beam pattern, and the outstanding craftsmanship that is put into these lights. you can ask any luder who purchased a retrofit from them 2 and they will tell you they could not be happier with their purchase. ask anyone who has those ebay ones, they will tell you, yea they just look cool. some maybe happy, but only because they just don't know that there is something so much better out there.
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well i plan on getting these too, or the other kind with the halo lights, and for brighter lighting you can just upgrade the bulbs with sylvanias, or piaa...thats what i plan to do...does it work??? dont know yet, but if somebody does, they need to post it up....
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I love the way the 5th gens look with the projectors.
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I would listen too drew. He knows his stuff. Plus I have heard horror stories from people about those ebay lights. Spending a little more might save you in the long run.
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please do share. you sparked my interest. what sort of horror stories?
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i was wrong folks. i take back what i said. apparently these are SOME OEM parts to these. but i found some threads about them on preludeonline. here's one. ill get some more later.. judge for yourself. but IMO the beam pattern on these things look like straight ass....

http://www.preludeonline.com/f60/eba...lights-221189/
listen to what brian (prelude1897) has to say in this one ^

http://www.preludeonline.com/f60/ok-...s-pics-222023/
in this one you can see what the H1 bulb does. and later on down the page it explains why it has such a good cutoff with the h1 bulb and why it looks like ass with an HID bulb like the d2s. basically the HID bulb is a lot more intense causing the cutoff to flare more
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so these "projector" headlights are just for looks it seems...correct?
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yes... but, you could modify the cutoff shield to make it better so you're not blinding people and concentrating more light where its needed. but who knows what needs to be modified. however, modifying it, i don't see it changing the beam pattern at all. like in one of those pics there were some really bad hot spots. real projectors have a very even pattern, no hot spots.
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thanks for the info....some guy is selling them to me for 180 shipped....i got to wetsand my stock ones....my lude is my DD so those "projectors" will do for now....I GUESS...haha
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They are for look only they won't have a brighter output than stock. Only real HID projectors with HID bulbs (D2S) can produce the light output of a BMW, Infinity, Acura, Mercedes, Etc. etc.

Here's how retrofit projectors look from a prelude. Total cost of these can be as little as $600 dependant on the part cost.







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I'd also like to point out, that these Headlights are probably not DOT approved, and you are more than likely to fail inspection for this if the insepction tech notices.
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ok..so can anybody honestly say..."yeah man go for it, they look great, but you wont have the output of real projectors", or something to that affect...cuz thats really all im looking for is the look of the headlights, black housing with a projector...and then upgrade to sylvania or piaa bulbs...
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ok..so can anybody honestly say..."yeah man go for it, they look great, but you wont have the output of real projectors", or something to that affect...cuz thats really all im looking for is the look of the headlights, black housing with a projector...and then upgrade to sylvania or piaa bulbs...

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They are for look only they won't have a brighter output than stock. Only real HID projectors with HID bulbs (D2S) can produce the light output of a BMW, Infinity, Acura, Mercedes, Etc. etc.

Here's how retrofit projectors look from a prelude. Total cost of these can be as little as $600 dependant on the part cost.


switching to sylvania silverstars, or any other halogen type bulb, will improve light output by MAYBE 10%, if your lucky. i never really noticed any difference at all between stock bulbs and aftermarket halogens.
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oh ok, so it would be like having the oem light output??? well i guess that would be ok, until i have the money to get real projectors....
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ok..so can anybody honestly say..."yeah man go for it, they look great, but you wont have the output of real projectors", or something to that affect...cuz thats really all im looking for is the look of the headlights, black housing with a projector...and then upgrade to sylvania or piaa bulbs...
read the links i posted earlier. they said exactly that. they look cool. but they just dont have the output of a real projector. and even if you upgrade to silverstars or piaa that wont help. you will be spending more money on replacement bulbs then you will on gas. those things have the life expectancy of about a month. an OEM halogen will last you several years. and a D2S/R bulb (real HID projector bulb) will last you up to 3 times as long as a halogen bulb.

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oh ok, so it would be like having the oem light output??? well i guess that would be ok, until i have the money to get real projectors....
why waste the 400 on a set of ebay projectors, when you can save it and 200 bucks later you can get a retrofit. what could be so bad about your stock headlights that you have to spend 400 bucks to get rid of them now just to get rid of those ebay ones later one down the road before you can probably save up enough to get a retrofit? cuz i guarantee thats what will happen. if the plastic is fading and turning yellow, get some plasti-x for 5 bucks and polish them up ever few months.
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well this is just temporary i got them pretty cheap...so i decided to get them....
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so preludejayes you actually have these headlights??? do they seem to be decent light output??? better, worse, or the same than stock??? i am debating between these and the other ones with halos...
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well i just bought them...ill take pics when they arrive...ill let you know as soon as i put them on...
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Here's a couple of pics of Manabir's car from over here. He's had to open them up and flip the shield for RHD, and he's put in HID globes.







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maybe down the line ill get the good ones....but since im doing the 5spd swap and the supercharging this yr....i dont feel like spending 600 bucks for headlights ...plus the "ebay projectors" i got are temporary while i wetsand the stock ones... thanks for all the feedback ppl
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yeah...that lude looks really clean...i think i would rather get the lights with the halos though...they just look better to me..
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Not bad output for a cheap ebay projector with HID's but a real HID projector covers about 140 degrees in front of the car! Those look like the beam covers maybe 75 degrees, if that.
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