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Old 02-01-2008, 03:29 PM
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Timing box?

Well when i had that clutch issue last month, i been hearing a noise ever since i had put on a new one. (Sachs) So...apparently now i been hearing this noise well over a month, it makes a wierd noise at idle, then when im driving it makes a wierd noise as well. So i finally decided to go to the mechanic, i go to him, i said listen i have no job right now i have no money can you check out what this sound is though. At first before he looked at the car he thought it could be a surge. So he's like let me get the keys, he puts it on the lift. I'm waiting inside, 20 min later, he tells me well, its not the clutch, but the sound is coming from the "timing box" (uhhh?, i thought it was a belt) anyway, so he said in order to really get to the sound it can take hours, and i can't do that for free i said i understood and left. Now...before i go wasting my money on changing everything (water pump, timing belt etc..) is it really my timing belt???? ..i'll take an audio clip so you guys can hear..but for now, do you guys happen to no what it is just by this description? Basically at idle it sounds like something moving up and down, then at driving it drops down with the rpm sound. So idk?????? help, i don't want to have it be the actual belt then i lose my engine
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a vid clip would greatly help us diagnose it.

timing box?? hahahaha. he didnt mention anything about the flux capacitor being at 1.21 jigawatts and going 88mph, did he?!!?
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:42 PM
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lmfao, only if i can find doc...and a delorean...lol
Well im trying to get this damn clip off the nextel 930, nextels suck i cant get it off...have to google this crap now
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Old 02-01-2008, 05:48 PM
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Finally gave up on the audio clip, the video doesn't really matter just the audio, here it goes :



btw im only moving it because when i was recording it i was trying to get the phone near the noise the loudest
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Old 02-01-2008, 05:56 PM
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take the valve cover off and inspect the timing belt. It almost sounds like the tensioner lost its pressure.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:16 PM
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man I wish I understood this stuff... it makes me feel dum

what is a "tensioner"?
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:26 PM
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more and more problems keep occuring..i can never win!! well i can't take it off tonight its raining like crazy out here in ny. Well heres my question, seeming i drove this car for about a month now, you think i have a chance of getting stuck?
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Hey also another question, i asked my dad about helping me painting my valve cover in spring. He said you can't take out a valve cover cause of the fluid inside?, well anyway then he said once you take it off the bracket that holds it in place breaks?
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theres no fluid in your valve cover... theres some oil around the cams and ****...
You should replace the gasket at some point, so if you take it off to paint replace it.. if youre taking it off to check the t-belt i might not replace the gasket.

A tensioner is something that puts pressure on a belt to keep it at tension! The H22 came with an auto-tensioner which many people replace with the H23 manual tensioner because its a little more reliable.
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is this something that should be urgent to replace or i mean am i still am able to drive without deep worry of getting stuck
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the sound seemed to get louder when you put the camera closer to where the t belt is...i played that like 5 times just to hear the sound it sounds like a spaceship. Def no large amount of fluid under the valve cover that would prevent you from taking it off. its raining like an asshole here too the weather around here sucks lately

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my dad is being a dick and telling me not to take off the valve cover, he rather pay the 1000+ to get everything repaired. do you guys think i should just listen to him, or do you guys think it might be something i can do myself?
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so if its just a tensioner, can i install this myself or will i have to bring this to a shop?
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If in fact it is your tensioner, it is not that hard of a job to do if you have a little knowledge of engines and how they work. For right now you car is just making a noise (I agree I thought it to sounded like a spaceship myself) As for taking you valve cover off no big deal really, I painted mine the other week and no problem even the gasket was in good shape so I reused the old one. now just taking your valve cover off wont be enough you will have to pull the front engine cover off then you will have to get a socket wrench on the tensioner bolts that hold the tensioner to the engine block. now when you take this tensioner off you will have to be very careful not to let the Timing belt come off the camshaft pulleys or you will have to set the engine to top dead center and put all the pulleys on there mark for top dead center (TDC) If you able to pull off the old tensioner without letting the belt fall off the pulleys then your okay, but I say if you are already in there go ahead and get you a new timing belt and water pump so you will be ready to go another 100,000 miles. Lots of times people replace their belts but not the tensioner or the water pump and guess what happens?

Yep you have to do it all over again. I would say if you have no mechanics abilities I would probably have it done if you were close to Roanoke VA I would be happy to help you out I changed a couple of those before.
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screw your dad. Take the valve cover off. First you have to remove the black plastic cover that holds the alternator wiring harness. You will also need to remove the spark plug cover. Now take off all the 10mm cap nuts and grounds (remember where the grounds went). Take a flat head screwdriver and carefully pry it up. Or if you have a rubber mallet, hit the side of it to break it loose.

This will uncover the cams and valvetrain and expose the timing belt. Inspect the timing belt visually, then also check the tension with your fingers. you should be able to twist the timing belt 90*.

Take the spark plugs out and grab a 19mm socket and wrench. turn the engine COUNTERCLOCKWISE and keep an eye on the belt tension as you turn it. Make sure the belt is not walking (moving back and forth on the cam gears) and make sure it keeps proper tension throughout turning the motor over.

Has the timing belt ever been changed?
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yea..just wait until your dad isnt around and check the belt and everything like 98vtec said
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well i don't know if the timing belt has ever been change, i mean this guy i bought it off of supposedly blew out the old engine this car came with and he dropped in a h22 at 85k i believe. i really couldnt keep track of how much miles it had seeming that the odometer said 147,253 something like that, because thats what the post was on cars.com, and then i don't know if he used it before we bought it, also he drove it from long island to staten island. so he most likely put more miles then 85k. but as of right now i shouldn't be driving this car right, i mean i don't want to take the bus but if i can't drive it i don't mind.
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well on an interference engine like your honda engine... there is not enough room for the pistons to move to tdc and for the valves to have clearance.. so if that timing belt snaps and they get out of time with each other.. chances are youre going to do some damage and its going to suck and leave you stranded and possibly kill the motor for good.
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Yeah, I would park it until you have time to look at it. Like he said if the belt goes all your valves are going to remain down and the pistons will bend them and then your looking at a major overhaul to your head and valvetrain.
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