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Short Shifters

i was wondering how significant a difference a short shifter is going to make on my shift times.i also have some other questions.

well im only 17, and dont have my full license yet, but im an aspiring prelude fanatic. ive taken a few joyrides in my dads 98sh, and man, so fun, but anyway, try not to critisize me im not a specialist.

when you got the pedal two the floor, when you shift to 2nd, to you let off the gas at all, because i just shift so fast that i dont bother, and usually that shift has some wheelspin, am i the only one? another thing is, would anybody agree with me that around 4000-maybe 4300rpm is a good place to let out the clutch off the line?

and one more thing, cant remember if i already asked this but when you first turn the vehicle on, all the symbols light up, but in my car, all but atts lights up, is this a burnt out bulb or what? fill me in please, thank you all
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Possible burnt bulb. Are ya sure it is an SH and not just a Base?

Is there a 3rd brake lamp in the rear window or a lamp in the interior door panels?

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dude, im sorry, you must have read my age wrong, its SEVENTEEN, not 7, im not retarded
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and you didnt even answer the important questions
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dude, im sorry, you must have read my age wrong, its SEVENTEEN, not 7, im not retarded
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and you didnt even answer the important questions
Nice attitude. GL on getting answers.

I didn't answer the other stuff as I want ya to burn up the clutch and have your dad beat your ass.

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thanks pal, big help, i wasnt tryin to be a prick and i understand that you weren't, but ill take that clutch comment as a yes, i should let the gas off, thanks
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thanks pal

Actually it's Mike, not pal or dude as you had typed. I sign all my posts so it's easy not to make the mistake.

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alright thanks Mike
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Don't be too hard on Mike mate, he's a good guy but doesn't tolerate idiots; a lot like the rest of us.

Like he said though, are you sure you have an SH? Just because we have a lot of people claiming to have an SH but actually don't.

A short shifter can make a big difference. I've driven cars with them and love them, but some people don't like them; it's very preference driven.

You probably should back out for the 1-2 shift, tyres are expensive as are clutch replacements.
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short shifters are awesome. i've not driven a lude with a short throw but i have driven an 07 civic si and 02 s2000 with 'em and it's sickeningly fun to be able to shift that fast.

regarding your wheelspin going in to 2nd, you definitely have too much gas goin'. it's not possible to shift so fast that you can't let up on the gas, as it should be a somewhat simaltaneous action. a good shift should give you a good transition from engaging the clutch and giving it gas at high enough rpms to give you power while still maintaning traction with the road and keep from screwing up your clutch. obviously driving a car hard is going to be more stress on your transmisison, but you can minimize that with well timed / practiced shifts. good luck!
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thanks all for the help,and for the record i do know its an sh, its got the spoiler, its got the 5stars, its got the sh badge, is a 5speed,it has atts, its got the leather trim wheel and shifter, its got the heated seats, and its got the extra however many pounds the atts is, its an sh, again thanks for the help, and i apolagies, i wsant trying to come across as a dick or an idiot, just a kid with some questions, you know how it goes.
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thanks all for the help,and for the record i do know its an sh, its got the spoiler, its got the 5stars, its got the sh badge, is a 5speed,it has atts, its got the leather trim wheel and shifter, its got the heated seats, and its got the extra however many pounds the atts is, its an sh, again thanks for the help, and i apolagies, i wsant trying to come across as a dick or an idiot, just a kid with some questions, you know how it goes.
Heated seats. That is not a factory deal for either the Base or SH here in the US. Are you sure it isn't a Canadian SE model? Those had heated seats factory.

Also the Base and SH had the same steering wheel, there is no difference. The shift knob and boot are easy to change.

How do you know it has ATTS? Cause of the sticker on the back? $15.00 that can be added I hate to say.

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Heated seats. That is not a factory deal for either the Base or SH here in the US. Are you sure it isn't a Canadian SE model? Those had heated seats factory.

Also the Base and SH had the same steering wheel, there is no difference. The shift knob and boot are easy to change.

How do you know it has ATTS? Cause of the sticker on the back? $15.00 that can be added I hate to say.

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ok mike, you got a bone to pick now or do you really think they don't know what kind of car they own?
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ok mike, you got a bone to pick now or do you really think they don't know what kind of car they own?
Honestly I am tring to find out why his lamp doesn't come on.

But the truth is the US models didn't come with heated seats Base or SH. SE models from Canada did.

I never did get answers to my 1st 2 questions. Mainly I wanted to know if lamps are in the door which the SE models also came with I believe.

Does the car have a switch for heated mirrors?

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the car has a switch for heated mirrors, and it might help if i told you i was from canada, also, my dad did buy the car used, hes not original owner
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but it does say type sh on the back, and atts doesnt lightup but i can see it if i look closely, its like in the middle on te right hand side, and im pretty sure that only the sh models came with theleather shift knob
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Wow, look at this look at the info I find out.

Sorry I had to pull teeth. I am not sure if the SE came with ATTS or not though but that is what you have from the sounds of it.

Now was it worth being such an ass to me? I may know what I am talking about.

And back to the sticker and knob and boot, those can be easy changed. The knob may have came with the SE models anyways. $15.00 and ya got the sticker.

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if its an sh the oil filter is not in the same spot. i believe the base model has the oil filter between piston #s 2 and 3, but the sh is like in between 3 and 4. that will tell u the answer
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Try again, we already figured out it is an SE from Canada model.

Next time read more than just one or 2 posts in the thread.

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http://www.buysell.com/root/detail/B...2dr_FWD_2.aspx

Here is another SE.

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/detai...6&vlotid=94018

I don't see the cooler lines over the top of the trannys like the SH models I hate to say.

Read this. I hear of no mention of ATTS on this SE.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=529943

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Fifth generation (1997-2001)
Fifth generation

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2.2L Vtec 200 hp (99-01) H22 I4
Transmission(s) 4-speed automatic
5-speed manual
Wheelbase 101.8 in (2586 mm)
Length 178 in (4521 mm)
Width 69 in (1753 mm)
Height 51.8 in (1316 mm)
Fuel capacity 15.9 US gallons (60.2 L/13.2 imp gal)
The fifth generation of the Honda Prelude saw enhancements over the fourth generation, including new body styling and handling characteristics. In 2002 the Prelude was discontinued.

The fifth generation retained an FF layout with an independent front suspension. The car had a 63/37 weight distribution. All fifth-generation Honda Preludes came with 16 inch aluminium alloy wheels with all-season 205/50 R16 87V tires. Unlike the USDM Preludes, JDM Preludes came with rear wind screen wipers (except the Xi). All Prelude models now featured the 11.1" front brakes that the 96' VTEC model came with, and the prelude also received a 5-lug hub, as opposed to the 4-lug wheel hub of older models.

The fifth-generation Prelude marked a return to the body style of the late 1980s, or third generation, in an attempt to curb slumping sales of the fourth-generation body style. The fifth-generation was assembled and distributed to many parts of the world, including Japan, the UK, the US, and Germany, among others. All models and trims stayed within the BB-chassis code (BB5-BB9) and housed either the H-series or F-series engine. Models available to the Japanese market included (engine compression ratio in parentheses): SiR (10.6), Xi (8.8), Si (9.2), SiR S-spec (11.0) and the Type S (11.0). The US received a Base model and Type SH. Canada received the Base model, SE, and Type SH. Europe received the 2.0i (9.5) and 7.9 VTi VTEC (10.0). Australia received the Si (10.0), the VTi-R (10.0) and the ATTS (10.0). All fifth generation Preludes came with an H22A except: Xi (F22B), Si (F22B), 2.0i (F20A), Si (F22Z). BB5 was the Xi, and Si-2WS trim. BB6 was the SiR-2WS trim, SiR S-spec, Type S, Base model, Type SH, SE, 2.2 VTi VTEC-2WS trim. BB7 was the Si-4WS trim. BB8 was the SiR-4WS trim, and 2.2 VTi VTEC-4WS trim. All Preludes had a fuel tank capacity of 60 l (15.9 US gal).

One version of the fifth-generation Prelude, the Type S, was only available in Japan. It was equipped with the 2.2 l H22A, featuring VTEC and producing 223.1 hp (162 kW) @ 7200 rpm and 163 ft·lbf (221 Nm) @ 6500 rpm. With a compression ratio of 11.0:1, 87.0 mm bore x 90.7 mm stroke and the VTEC-valve timing, lift and duration were adjusted to 12.2 mm intake and 11.2 mm exhaust. Honda also overhauled the air box and replaced it with a more efficient design that is often referred to as Dynamic Chambering, along with a larger throttle body design bored to 62 mm (as opposed to the previous 60 mm). The exhaust system was also treated to a redesign, with the pipe cross sections becoming more cylindrical rather than oval. The three-way catalytic converter was also increased in size, as well as the exhaust piping from 50.8 mm (2.00 in) to 57 mm (2.25 in) (tToV). The fifth generation curb weight was 1310 kg (2882 lb), and ground clearance was 140 mm (5.5 in). Unlike the SiR S-spec that had an LSD, the Type S acquired the Honda technology known as the Active Torque Transfer System (ATTS). The gearing on the Type S matches all other fifth-generation Preludes that had a manual transmission except for the five-speed 2.2 VTi VTEC and had a final drive ratio of 4.266:1. The Type S had an Active Control ABS system, different from the others which had the standard ABS systems. The interior featured leather laced with red stitching. Manufacturer styling options included seat lettering. The exterior styling of fifth generation Preludes was standardized for most models. All had a sunroof except for the Type S model.




The USDM fifth-generation Preludes also saw enhancements in the engine, with the full line now offering VTEC H22A4 engines, an evolution of the H22A1 with higher flowing heads, making 195 hp (143 kW) @ 7000 rpm and 156 ft·lbf (212 Nm) @ 5250 rpm from 1997 to 1999, and the same torque readings with 200 hp (147 kW) @ 7000 rpm from 1999 to 2001 with a compression ratio of 10.0:1. The USDM fifth-generation had a Type SH ("Super-Handling") trim which featured the ATTS, and, along with the five-speed base model, shared the same gearing as the Type S and SiR-S spec trims in Japan. This system allowed Honda to overcome the limitations of front-wheel drive somewhat, and in 1997, Car and Driver named the Prelude Type SH the "best-handling car under $30,000

In the fifth generation Prelude, all models with an automatic transmission featured SportShift technology. This 4-speed transmission allowed the driver to manually change gears in a manner similar to the Porsche tiptronic system. Gear selection was enabled by sliding the shifter horizontally from D4, the standard automatic position, to a separate track that allowed the shifter to be pushed forwards or backwards. At the time of the Prelude's release this type of feature was relatively rare, having been recently introduced in the Porsche 911 in the early 90's, but soon afterwards it became common in many sport coupés and sedans.

Paint Codes US 1997 Model B-83M Nordic Mist Metallic G-83P Eucalyptus Green Pearl NH-592P Flamenco Black Pearl R-94 San Marino Red



So, now I must ask, was I tring to be an ass in my 1st post in this thread, or was I just tring to get the correct info on the car?

You ain't got what ya thought.

I am done in this thread. I think my point has been made.

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Now I'm going to be an ass...just because I can.

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Our Si (F22Z) came with 15s (4g SE rims to be exact), as did many of the BB9s in Europe. All on a 4 stud hub. And I believe the Xi in Japan had 14in steelies with plastic hub caps!
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Our Si (F22Z) came with 15s (4g SE rims to be exact), as did many of the BB9s in Europe. All on a 4 stud hub. And I believe the Xi in Japan had 14in steelies with plastic hub caps!

Here contact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Prelude and set them straight as that is where the info came from.

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Nice attitude. GL on getting answers.

I didn't answer the other stuff as I want ya to burn up the clutch and have your dad beat your ass.

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i agree with H4L lol... theres no need to even rev that high to launch.. especially with a stock clutch.. and when u shift into second theres no need to stay on the gas and keep the tires spinning.. its bad for the clutch and tires..
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dont know what you mean by "didnt get what i thought" but yes, it is a 1998 type sh

and curb weight for the sh is 3240lbs
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dont know what you mean by "didnt get what i thought" but yes, it is a 1998 type sh

and curb weight for the sh is 3240lbs
Spouting facts about an SH doesn't make your car so. Yours is an SE sorry to say.

I have used pictures to prove my point even. Oh well.

I have more knowlege of Honda's in general but you still stand by the sticker on the back of your DAD'S car which you don't have a lic. to drive but take for joy rides, (sneak it out) anyways.

I have owned 2 Ludes and a bunch of Accord's. Worked on them all and friends Honda as well. But still I guess I don't know jack.

BTW, I got a Civic Type-R to sell to ya. It's got the sticker on the back so it has to be, correct. That's what ya have said so far in your comments.

Why don't ya post up the VIN of the car in question?

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[QUOTE=levi1670;96070] would anybody agree with me that around 4000-maybe 4300rpm is a good place to let out the clutch off the line?

Wow that is some serious clutch burning.. I only did that the firt few days I learned how to drive stick to make sure it wouldnt stall.. Most of the time I let go at 1.5 to 2000 rpms depending on location(uphill, downhill) but you cant let go right away because you might do wheelspin..
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Wow that is some serious clutch burning.. I only did that the firt few days I learned how to drive stick to make sure it wouldnt stall.. Most of the time I let go at 1.5 to 2000 rpms depending on location(uphill, downhill) but you cant let go right away because you might do wheelspin..
Doood, I think he means launching HARD. I was once recommended by a reputable Luder to hard launch at 4000 but without just dumping the clutch. I've practiced it a few times and works rather nicely, unless of course its a little wet, in which case...Hello rev limiter
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