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spotting an SH

mkay, correct me if i'm wrong, but assuming a 5th gen lude doesn't have aftermarket wheels, the SH has the "straight" spoke wheels while the non-SH has the "twisty" ones? is that true throughout the 97-01 models?

obviously an SH will also have "type SH" on the back, but in my shopping a lot of people's listings don't show close up enough, and i've noticed some people claiming an SH but they have the twisty wheels on 'em. any other clues to look for?
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I think the twisty spoke you refer to is particular to a year model not between the S, and the SH models I could be wrong though. I also believe they both have 16 in wheels. I think rear spoliers were an option on the S model but standard on the SH. I looked around a while myself for a 5th Gen. I went with the S model because in my opinion there is much more aftermarket performance parts and less exspensive mods for the S model. For more to go wrong and only what like 5 hp difference not to down play the SH models, they are sweet having that differential is a must for racing just more exspensive to own and operate in my opinion. Happy hunting, don't settle for the first one you see. Look at many it will also help if you show up to look at one car and have all sorts of printouts of the others you are looking at. Play dumb you know. Show up to the one you want to look at and tell the guy, or gal hmmm I'm looking at so many which one is this one and pull that paper out and say ah here it is. I did that with looking at mine, I looked it over drove it and told her I would be in contact, you know she called me the next morning and asked if she dropped the price $1000 would I buy it. I told her I'd be there that afternoon. Good luck my friend.

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There are quite a few things to look for when just staring at a Base and SH from the outside of the car

Base:
-Blade rims
-Unpainted side and rear skirts(they just dark gray)
-3rd brake light in rear window
-Doesn't say SH on the trunk

SH:
-Has rear spoiler
-No 3rd brake light in the rear window(because it's on the spoiler)
-Has the star looking rims
-Painted side and rear skirts
-Usually says SH on the trunk lid if it hasn't been pealed off

There are more things when looking all over the car from the inside, and under the hood
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Okay I stand corrected then, they do have star rims. My bad. Still though not saying the SH or the S is better generally I think the S model suited me better.
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the sh rims are made by enkei. they are painted silver, straight spoke, 5 star 16'' rims.

prelude1897 hit the nail on the head.

is there such thing as an automatic sh? I've never paid attention to that
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the sh rims are made by enkei. they are painted silver, straight spoke, 5 star 16'' rims.

prelude1897 hit the nail on the head.

is there such thing as an automatic sh? I've never paid attention to that
Nope, not Auto SH's....If you see an ad that said SH, but yet it's an Automatic, it's really a Base model.
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also, if you were to turn the key to the thrid click an ATTS lightshould blink like the others do
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There are quite a few things to look for when just staring at a Base and SH from the outside of the car

Base:
-Blade rims
-Unpainted side and rear skirts(they just dark gray)
-3rd brake light in rear window
-Doesn't say SH on the trunk

SH:
-Has rear spoiler
-No 3rd brake light in the rear window(because it's on the spoiler)
-Has the star looking rims
-Painted side and rear skirts
-Usually says SH on the trunk lid if it hasn't been pealed off

There are more things when looking all over the car from the inside, and under the hood
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also, if you were to turn the key to the thrid click an ATTS lightshould blink like the others do
Also, and I can't believe Brian missed this one, SH interior door panels will have a little lamp that comes on when ya open the door. The Base models do not offer that. (Hey Brian, what did ya just send me, lol.)

The shift knobs and shift boots are different. The Base model where the boot meets the knob is square while the SH is round.

Visually mine looks just like an SH until you open the hood and look for the oil filter. Also no lines over the tranny on mine. I do have the SH rims though too.

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cool thanks. the main thing i was looking for is tipoffs when looking at auto-trader / craiglist ads. i'm not married to either the base or SH per-say, but i want to spot some shmuck claiming SH (and thus more $$) when all they have is a base. i've seen a dude with the blade pattern wheels claiming an SH (actually he had SH in the title of his ad, tisk tisk). so thanks for confirming my suspicions.

i would love to have the ATTS personally, but if the SH's are more expensive to work on and more of a pain to upgrade, then maybe the base is the way to go... frankly i'll be happy with a good deal on a good condition lude regardless of SH/base.

thanks for the help guys. rep all around.

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thanks for the pointers :). i'm a Honda salesman myself, so i also have access to manheim market report, car fax account, and other fun things. but yeah i've got a list a mile long from Salem OR to about halfway between north Seattle and the Canadian border. LOL i'm gonna make sure i get the right lude!

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If they have the VIN listed there is a way right off the bat to tell if it is an SH.

I have seen some SH's people were selling or owned with Base wheels. They sold the SH wheels for good money, picked up a Base set cheap for spares and would have a set of after market rims.

Now in the end when they sell the car they have the Base wheels only as they sold the after market set to make some extra $.

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Also, and I can't believe Brian missed this one, SH interior door panels will have a little lamp that comes on when ya open the door. The Base models do not offer that. (Hey Brian, what did ya just send me, lol.)

The shift knobs and shift boots are different. The Base model where the boot meets the knob is square while the SH is round.

Visually mine looks just like an SH until you open the hood and look for the oil filter. Also no lines over the tranny on mine. I do have the SH rims though too.

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I didn't miss it, I just didn't label it cause that's on the inside of the car. I was just talking about what is obvious by looking at the exteior of the car. You know I wouldn't have missed all the other things about an SH
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I didn't miss it, I just didn't label it cause that's on the inside of the car. I was just talking about what is obvious by looking at the exteior of the car. You know I wouldn't have missed all the other things about an SH

OK ok I give it to ya. lol

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the sh rims are made by enkei. they are painted silver, straight spoke, 5 star 16'' rims.

prelude1897 hit the nail on the head.

is there such thing as an automatic sh? I've never paid attention to that
The SH rims are made by enkei? I didn't know that
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That caught me off guard too. The fisrt time I did my brakes, I was sitting there with my arms wrapped around the caliper, look over and see the enkei on the inside of the rim. I was like "wow". Just surprised me.
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Nope, not Auto SH's....If you see an ad that said SH, but yet it's an Automatic, it's really a Base model.
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I always wondered whats the difference between the S and the SH motorwise and drivetrain wise. I was looking at turbo kits for preludes and some say " not available for SH models" so what's the difference, why would the kit not work for an SH?
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Honda have been very clever with the factory ECU. So clever in fact that no aftermarket company has worked out how to talk to the ATTS unit.

So when you bolt on your turbo kit, and have the turbo ECU you lose your ATTS. So when that happens, you may as well as used a Base as a starting point.

The only way to boost an SH is really to use a low boost application and a piggyback such as a GReddy Emanage or a APexi VAFC
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I have heard the SH actually has around 5-7 HP LESS than the base model because of the extra power required to operate the ATTS unit. anybody know if this is true or not?
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They're rated as being the same. As for whether or not it translates to less HP at the wheels, I seriously doubt it.
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The only way to boost an SH is really to use a low boost application and a piggyback such as a GReddy Emanage or a APexi VAFC
you mean the only way to boost an SH and keep the ATTS? or to boost an SH period?
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I have heard the SH actually has around 5-7 HP LESS than the base model because of the extra power required to operate the ATTS unit. anybody know if this is true or not?
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They're rated as being the same. As for whether or not it translates to less HP at the wheels, I seriously doubt it.
They are the same at the fly wheel. That's where Honda rates things.

At the wheels though, I could see the SH being 1-3hp less because of the extra stuff power must be transfered through before hitting the wheels.

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sh has the light on the inside of the door. the bases don't
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