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hey, what's up luders, pretty new to the site and it's kinda sad to see how dead it is but i had a quick question
i want to get my lude a little quicker, other then your basic bolt ons, where should i start?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

what kind of prelude do you have?
Other than bolts and weigh reduction, go turbo if you have anything except Type-SH, supercharge, Nitrous, tune, improve your driving skills.
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what kind of prelude do you have?
Other than bolts and weigh reduction, go turbo if you have anything except Type-SH, supercharge, Nitrous, tune, improve your driving skills.
i have 99 base model, and considering a turbo how would i go about that? i want to learn as much as possible before i start doing anything major? thanks for the reply!
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

everything depends how much money are you willing to spend
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everything depends how much money are you willing to spend
well i know fast prelude=$$$, so i understand the implications, i'm trying to get a route to take, i'm looking into all motor but if i was to turbo, how do i go about that?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

theres no direct answers - you need to ask more specific questions and/or do a lot more research by yourself

in either way you need to take your block to machine shop to be honed and there you have to decide which pistons youre gonna use - turbo or na and are you gonna sleeve your block or not

but first of all you need to decide how much money youre willing to use

turbo kit is around 2000
hondata 700
custom exhaust ~800
injectors 400
head and block work & parts $$$$
clutch & flywheel 500
seals and gaskets $$$
tuning $$$

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theres no direct answers - you need to ask more specific questions and/or do a lot more research by yourself

in either way you need to take your block to machine shop to be honed and there you have to decide which pistons youre gonna use - turbo or na and are you gonna sleeve your block or not

but first of all you need to decide how much money youre willing to use

turbo kit is around 2000
hondata 700
custom exhaust ~800
injectors 400
head and block work & parts $$$$
clutch & flywheel 500
seals and gaskets $$$
tuning $$$

and then suspension, traction and cooling $$$$
alright, so for now, no turbo. i thought sleeving was essentially to make room for bigger pistons... so then what's honing? and i'm leaning more toward all motor as of right now, i appreciate the responses though, sorry if i sound ignorant
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

if youre going to do high power NA sleeving would be good idea also because FRM cylinders just...suck.

always when youre opening your engine you should take your head to machine shop to be inspected and they probably machine then its surface.

same thing with block - specially if you put new pistons there the block should be honed that the cylinders are straight

na build isnt cheap either... that heavy car around 220-240 hp just dont feel fast and it takes much money to get there as well when you have to upgrade almost everything

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if youre going to do high power NA sleeving would be good idea also because FRM cylinders just...suck.

always when youre opening your engine you should take your head to machine shop to be inspected and they probably machine then its surface.

same thing with block - specially if you put new pistons there the block should be honed that the cylinders are straight

na build isnt cheap either... that heavy car around 220-240 hp just dont feel fast and it takes much money to get there as well when you have to upgrade almost everything

do your research, dont start anything without knowledge
hmm... so i essentially have to learn about this engine in and out and then begin my journey, sounds good but from what you're saying, i'm gonna have to take it to a machine shop regardless?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

youd be better off with different car if you want to make your ride fast

yes, always if you take head off it should be inspected by machine shop (if you cannot do everything by yourself) and if you change pistons or bearings same thing for block
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youd be better off with different car if you want to make your ride fast

yes, always if you take head off it should be inspected by machine shop (if you cannot do everything by yourself) and if you change pistons or bearings same thing for block
it's not so much i want to make it "fast", i would just like it "faster", get what i'm saying?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

and when they inspect my head, what exactly are they inspecting?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

machine the surface, wearing, is everything in specs etc - condition

seals should be new'd of course and maybe lma's, hopefully not the rockers
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machine the surface, wearing, is everything in specs etc - condition

seals should be new'd of course and maybe lma's, hopefully not the rockers
what are lma's? and yeah, i have to replace a few seals to get this engine right, and what exactly do rockers do?
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

Do yourself a huge favor and just keep it as it is and just do maintenance things, when you modify a car, parts are going to break, and you'll be spending more money to fix it. It seems like you're not ready to modify for high power.

The prelude is a great car as it is, and if you have a clean base model 5th gen consider yourself lucky, because the Type-SH is a PITA when something breaks/leaks.

If you want to modify just do intake, exhaust, headers if you want to, and ECU/tune if you got some money. Just enjoy the car man, if you think the car is slow take it to a roadcourse and you'll find out that you're slow, then you'll be looking into how to be faster and that's where you'll make the most amount of gains and find satisfaction.
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Do yourself a huge favor and just keep it as it is and just do maintenance things, when you modify a car, parts are going to break, and you'll be spending more money to fix it. It seems like you're not ready to modify for high power.

The prelude is a great car as it is, and if you have a clean base model 5th gen consider yourself lucky, because the Type-SH is a PITA when something breaks/leaks.

If you want to modify just do intake, exhaust, headers if you want to, and ECU/tune if you got some money. Just enjoy the car man, if you think the car is slow take it to a roadcourse and you'll find out that you're slow, then you'll be looking into how to be faster and that's where you'll make the most amount of gains and find satisfaction.
i got you man, appreciate the reply. i do think i'm jumping the gun here modifying it so i'll probably wait a bit before i do any serious mods, thanks
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Do yourself a huge favor and just keep it as it is and just do maintenance things, when you modify a car, parts are going to break, and you'll be spending more money to fix it. It seems like you're not ready to modify for high power.

The prelude is a great car as it is, and if you have a clean base model 5th gen consider yourself lucky, because the Type-SH is a PITA when something breaks/leaks.

If you want to modify just do intake, exhaust, headers if you want to, and ECU/tune if you got some money. Just enjoy the car man, if you think the car is slow take it to a roadcourse and you'll find out that you're slow, then you'll be looking into how to be faster and that's where you'll make the most amount of gains and find satisfaction.

^This.


I spent a lot of time and money to give my Prelude 220hp, and an LSD. I bought a 300ZX with 222hp and an LSD. While buying the Z cost more than what I spent building the Prelude, the experience of taking the "scenic route" blighted the feel of the final outcome. Now, all I see when I look at it is; a car I spent a lot of time on, that has almost exactly the same output as another car, that came that way right out of the box. It is disappointing.

For the amount of work that I did to the Prelude to get another 20hp to the crank, I could have TT swapped the Z, and, had a minimum 300hp, but, realistically, a lot more. For less than that, I could have done a turbo on the SVX, and, got over 300hp AWD.

The Prelude is a bit of an anomaly in the tuning world, in that, they don't respond as well to modifications, as other Hondas of that period did. Honda didn't de-tune the H-series all that much. Horsepower varies across certain variants, but that is down to serious hardware changes, such as cams, pistons, and, porting of the head. Nothing that can be "bolted on". Whereas other models got chintzy intakes, and, restrictive exhausts, that could easily be upgraded to free up some ponies. The Prelude came pretty highly tuned. In fact, some of the best parts made for the Prelude are OEM. The Type-S intake for example.

You are better off enjoying the Prelude for what it is. It still is a beautiful car. It is still a very comfortable, and, nicely appointed car. Right out of the box, it handles like it is on rails. With a couple of updates, to tighten things up, you have something that can out-corner a lot of modern cars, plus, it looks a hell of a lot better than a lot of newer cars that put down similar numbers.

My recommendation: Invest in maintenance, and, then some handling upgrades. The Prelude will never be a straight line fast car, but, it will blow the doors off of a lot of fast cars, when you find a kink in the road.
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I spent a lot of time and money to give my Prelude 220hp, and an LSD. I bought a 300ZX with 222hp and an LSD. While buying the Z cost more than what I spent building the Prelude, the experience of taking the "scenic route" blighted the feel of the final outcome. Now, all I see when I look at it is; a car I spent a lot of time on, that has almost exactly the same output as another car, that came that way right out of the box. It is disappointing.

For the amount of work that I did to the Prelude to get another 20hp to the crank, I could have TT swapped the Z, and, had a minimum 300hp, but, realistically, a lot more. For less than that, I could have done a turbo on the SVX, and, got over 300hp AWD.


The Prelude is a bit of an anomaly in the tuning world, in that, they don't respond as well to modifications, as other Hondas of that period did. Honda didn't de-tune the H-series all that much. Horsepower varies across certain variants, but that is down to serious hardware changes, such as cams, pistons, and, porting of the head. Nothing that can be "bolted on". Whereas other models got chintzy intakes, and, restrictive exhausts, that could easily be upgraded to free up some ponies. The Prelude came pretty highly tuned. In fact, some of the best parts made for the Prelude are OEM. The Type-S intake for example.

You are better off enjoying the Prelude for what it is. It still is a beautiful car. It is still a very comfortable, and, nicely appointed car. Right out of the box, it handles like it is on rails. With a couple of updates, to tighten things up, you have something that can out-corner a lot of modern cars, plus, it looks a hell of a lot better than a lot of newer cars that put down similar numbers.

My recommendation: Invest in maintenance, and, then some handling upgrades. The Prelude will never be a straight line fast car, but, it will blow the doors off of a lot of fast cars, when you find a kink in the road.
i really appreciate the well thought out reply, you've made me rethink a lot of original plans, i guess i'm taking things a bit too fast, i'm gonna slow down and rethink what i truly want to do with this car, thank you man
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Re: 5th gen prelude performance upgrades

you can get some gains (without touching engine internals) with better header & exhaust + intake manifold (not that hard to install) but then you have to get your car tuned so you need chipped ecu/engine management there as well so those hp's arent cheap as previously stated
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