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Old 11-20-2007, 02:21 PM
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Gen5 and 4ws

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"This is the newbieest of questions, but... um... do 5th Gens have 4ws?

I thought they did, but the dealer selling me this car says they don't, thus this one can't. So I'm now wondering does that mean it's an option or submodel variation? Example, type S or SH? or do they all?

The car for sale is the European 2.0l LS and my scary thought is maybe it has but it's broken/not working.

(btw I read somewhere that if they do break that the rear wheels just realign as per a normal car?? but are very expensive to fix)"
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USDM's never came with 4ws in a 5th gen.

but canadian/european/japanese/australian is a totally diff story.
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USDM?? (newbie btw)

Anyhow, it's a European 2.0l LS, first registered in Ireland. Any comments?
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Not really sure about the European models, but USDM = United States Domestic Market...JDM = Japanese Domestic Market and yadda yadda yadda.
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darn, thanks anyway

gotta find out.. Help someone
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Check the chassis code on your radiator support panel.

BB5, BB6 will not have 4WS

BB8 does have 4WS.

BB9 **should** though I've heard of examples not being fitted with it.

4WS was mainly a European thing, not available in the US, Aust, note even Canada I don't think. Even in Japan, it was only available on the rare as rocking horse crap JDM SiR Spec S 4WS.

Or alternatively have a friend stand on a corner and watch you drive around and see if the back wheels turn.
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All models and trims stayed within the BB-chassis code (BB5-BB9) and housed either the H-series or F-series engine.

Models available to the Japanese market included (engine compression ratio in parentheses): SiR (10.6), Xi (8.8), Si (9.2), SiR S-spec (11.0) and the Type S (11.0).
The US received a Base model and Type SH.
Canada received the Base model, SE, and Type SH.
Europe received the 2.0i (9.5) and 7.9 VTi VTEC (10.0).
Australia received the Si (10.0), the VTi-R (10.0) and the ATTS (10.0).

All fifth generation Preludes came with an H22A except: Xi (F22B), Si (F22B), 2.0i (F20A), Si (F22Z).
BB5 was the Xi, and Si-2WS trim.
BB6 was the SiR-2WS trim, SiR S-spec, Type S, Base model, Type SH, SE, 2.2 VTi VTEC-2WS trim.
BB7 was the Si-4WS trim. BB8 was the SiR-4WS trim, and 2.2 VTi VTEC-4WS trim.

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u both are gods, thank you

Anyhow, I don't have the car yet as I'm buying it on Saturday ...but I have photos... *runs off to check*

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ok, it has the F20A engine and BB9 Chassis. lol so I'll have to wait till Sat to find out if it has 4ws ...and if it's working

Does anyone know any easy way to tell if it has 4ws without having to jack it up and look for the Hydraulic-mechanisms?
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Or alternatively have a friend stand on a corner and watch you drive around and see if the back wheels turn.
would that not work?
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lol, you see I'm buying this car from a dealer who said to me that no 5gens have 4ws...

So, I'm wondering if by chance the lude I'm buying has it, but it's broken and he is covering it...

After I do the check meantioned above (person watching) and nothing happens, I need to have another way of confirming that it does not have 4ws.

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You could always just check out the rear end linkages? Surely they'd be different that just a pair of control arms, a sway bar and a couple of struts?

And don't worry about the dealer, I've had many arguments with my insurance company, they think my car not only has 4WS, but power windows on the rear side windows as well!

They don't know what they don't know, it's nothing against them. Before I bought mine, I thought they all had 4WS.

Also, I think the 4WS versions should probably have a little light on the dash.
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i THINK (i could be wrong on this) that the rear wheels would turn if you turn the car on, then turn the steering wheel all the way to one side.
right?
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i THINK (i could be wrong on this) that the rear wheels would turn if you turn the car on, then turn the steering wheel all the way to one side.
right?
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ok cool, well, if I find out it's there and it's broken, he agreed a 3 month/3000 mile warrenty. So he "should" sort it out.

Biggest problem is that he is 3 hours drive away so I hope on the day I can negotiate that he subcontract out any repairs to my local honda dealership.
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DUDE! PLEASE listen to me when i say that WHATEVER they promise you that isn't on the deal you get it in writing. Blank piece of paper, in COMPLETE detail with the date, the name written in regular hand writing and his signature, both yours and his, everything dated MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS!!!! I just bought my car and having done that saved me from the dealer trying to deny all the things they had promised...MAKE SURE!!!!!
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Ah ok Brute, thanks for the heads up, in Ireland its one of the few places where your word is legally binding.

The day I'll meet him, I'll ask him the questions and have eveything written down.

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Ah ok Brute, thanks for the heads up, in Ireland its one of the few places where your word is legally binding.
Man, thats a great concept...If only we could adopt it. Someone's word doesnt mean $HIT over here.
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yeah, so like, asked these few questions.

Has it been crash/repaired? No
Has it had any major repair? No
Is it an Import? No, Irish
Does it have 4ws? No 5gen preludes had 4ws
Has it had any major spec changes? No
Engine replacement? No
etcetcetc

So over the next 3 months, if anything comes up, he'll be liable.

Going to get him to agree to subcontacting warrenty to a local honda dealer, easiest for me.

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BB6 and BB9 models don't have 4WS

BB8 model has 4WS (I have 4WS on my prelude so 5 gen. has it)

Your BB9 model has F20A4 engine with no 4WS, my suggestion would be that you go to some UK prelude sites and there you find more info on BB9 model.
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oh ok, thanks mate.

Checked the engine using wiki, and you're right I've the f20a4, so smallest engine, but hey, a prelude as a first car ain't bad
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no problem m8,

yes f20a4 is the smallest engine in prelude it has 99 kW. But it's bulletproof engine and it's very nice to drive. My first prelude was BB9.

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ok cool, don't need the power anyway, my significant others parents live an hour from the nurburgring ...so I can rent a nice merc for that ;-)
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models fitted with 4ws have a orange 4ws light illuminate on the instrument panel when the ignition is switched on. my guess is you havent a 4ws model.
a good example can be found on you tube search prelude 4ws.
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Thanks guys for all your help, I take it the car will not have 4ws, but hey, 1 less thing to go wrong

I will definitely start a work in progress thread where I'll post my questions as I start sorting the car out.

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Got the car today, I'm really happy with it! Brilliant!

Thanks guys for the help
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